Sciroxx Labs Testodex Enanthate 250 - GC-MS/MS - 2016-01 - performed by ChemTox via AnabolicLab.com

[muscle96ss]

it is bazaar, but the label says test e, his website says test e, and when people order it, they think they are getting test e.

Its bazaar that your comprehension skills suck!

 

[MassTurk]

@muscle96ss Last time I saw your comment on an issue here at meso was Karl's adventure with hgh he "manufactured" in his lab. What's the outcome of that? Do we have a real generic hgh he produced or what?

 

[PrideofNYC123]

Its funny, everybody jumped on the bandwagon and accused Karl of being a liar when he stated what was in the product. Then when it turns out to be dosed EXACTLY as Karl claimed and it turns out that Karl was not a liar, you jump to other conclusions without knowing shit again. Karl has claimed that it was public knowledge of what this batch contained. I don't know the story behind it as I haven't asked yet. But if Karl is telling the truth and the batch was not sold as Test E but as a Test E, Test tpp mix; then there should be no issues. If you have some proof that people bought this batch not knowing what was in it, or that once Karl found out about it, that people were not made aware of it; then by all means post it up and bash Karl as you like. But if you don't have that proof, then give the guy the benefit of the doubt until you can prove that he did something intentionally wrong.

I bought several sciroxx test e in November 2015 and was not made aware of this. I don't know how long the mislabling went on though.

 

[muscle96ss]

@muscle96ss Last time I saw your comment on an issue here at meso was Karl's adventure with hgh he "manufactured" in his lab. What's the outcome of that? Do we have a real generic hgh he produced or what?

Thus far the serums and IGF-1's have been good, but the only true lab tests that exist are from Karl himself; so obviously they are not independent. However, that is all about to change. We are doing a HGH Lab Testing project over at Pro Muscle and Karl is one of the sponsors who has stepped up to the plate and volunteered to pay for his own testing and therefore will be tested shortly in the first round. We are actually using 2 different labs with 2 different methodologies and testing for content and purity. The samples that will be sent to the labs will be coming from trusted members who recently received orders from that sponsor, where the sponsor did not know that they were going to be used for any kind of testing.

So, my initial thoughts is that Karl would not be investing his own money and participating in this if he didn't have some strong belief in what the results will be.

 

[muscle96ss]

I bought several sciroxx test e in November 2015 and was not made aware of this. I don't know how long the mislabling went on though.

Is this from the same batch tested?

 

[PrideofNYC123]

Is this from the same batch tested?

I'll check with my friend. I gave them away cause they hurt like piss.
Karl is not the shipper though so I doubt he knows what batches are going out.

 

[Gramps]

Karl has claimed that it was public knowledge of what this batch contained. I don't know the story behind it as I haven't asked yet. But if Karl is telling the truth and the batch was not sold as Test E but as a Test E, Test tpp mix; then there should be no issues.

Show us ONE ad, website, newpaper, TV commercial, or even a public bathroom door advertising Karl was selling this mythical mixture hiding behind a 250mg label. All I've seen show 250mg of Test E. It fucking amazes me how ANYONE can still defend an outright public lie which has been proven multiple times. Then again, you pointed out your affiliation to him on another site. It all goes back to money...

 

[AnTabolic73]

Or maybe the labs cater to highest bidders?

 

[muscle96ss]

Show us ONE ad, website, newpaper, TV commercial, or even a public bathroom door advertising Karl was selling this mythical mixture hiding behind a 250mg label. All I've seen show 250mg of Test E. It fucking amazes me how ANYONE can still defend an outright public lie which has been proven multiple times. Then again, you pointed out your affiliation to him on another site. It all goes back to money...

And what affiliation would that be? I stated that he is paying out of his pocket to have his GH independently tested. Lets, see, I donate many many hours of my time and some of my money for the project that involves not only Karl, but any other sponsor that chooses to participate. So yes, I have an affiliation and money is involved, but your implications or completely out of bounds and unsubstantiated.

Next issue, while I don't know the whole story; Karl has stated to me that his intent was to make a slightly different formula with the same pharmacokinetics for long acting test. He also stated that he updated his customers. I have yet to see a single person on here complain that they purchased the same exact batch directly from Karl and was never informed of this. I have yet to see a single person here email Karl for his side of the story. I have yet to see a single person here post any concrete proof that he is lying. You could be right, he may be lying; I have no proof he isn't either. But if you are going to accuse someone of that, shouldn't the onus be on you to prove it. Especially considering everybody just accused him of lying about having 200mg of test E and 70 mg of test tpp and kept talking about how ridiculous and absurd that claim was.

You are welcome to claim or believe anything you want. I am just asking you to back it up with facts because thus far your speculation hasn't been so hot.

 

[flenser]

But if Karl is telling the truth and the batch was not sold as Test E but as a Test E, Test tpp mix; then there should be no issues. If you have some proof that people bought this batch not knowing what was in it, or that once Karl found out about it, that people were not made aware of it; then by all means post it up and bash Karl as you like.

You must be joking. The proof is the anonymous purchaser who purchased test e from Sciroxx and sent it to Simex for testing. If he were a user rather than a tester, how would Karl ever find out he was using the contents without knowing what was in it? On the plus side, without Karl's mislabeled vial we would not have learned about ChemTox's poor performance : )

I'm not even that negative on the whole mixture thing. It's exactly the kind of thing I learned to expect from some of the labs when I was new here. I would be pissed if a lab like Pharmacom did it to me, as they have a different kind of reputation. But Karl is from the old days when that was perfectly acceptable.

 

[mkulltra58]

Either way he is lying by mislabeling products that are entering the market. Doesn't matter who he told or didn't tell.

If your friend buys you a burger and it's labeled as 100% angus beef but you find out it's actually 20% pork, some might not care but if you don't eat pork, you are going to be pretty pissed off. It's the same thing here.

 

[PrideofNYC123]

Is this from the same batch tested?

Appears to be the same batch. Same expiration date and same beginning code.

I was never made aware that this was not 100% test e.

 

[G.I. Bro]

Breaking news: Karl was right. ChemTox retracted its original report on Sciroxx Labs Testodex Enanthate 250.

The sample also contained 65.3 mg/ml of testosterone phenylpropionate in addition to the 207 mg/ml of testosterone enanthate.

I am awaiting an explanation from ChemTox.

This is why I respect you. I knew you'd look into it and make it right. Imo, all this does is make me trust Anaboliclab.com even more because when something seems off, you're going to follow it to ground even if it could make AL look bad.

Imo, chemtox just didn't do the cross checks it said it did, unfortunately.

Meso, you need to take a hard look at this thread and see how you guys fucking crucified me and labeled me a shill for raising some questions. We're all on the same team and all want the same thing here. This is my gripe with meso, exactly the shit that went down here. I don't think Karl should have cut with tpp unless it was on the label. But, that said, it has the same pharmacokinetics as 250 enanthate and he wanted to make sure the dose was equivalent or he wouldn't have bothered directing them to cook it that way (200 tne / 60 tpp). In the end, same real world effective dose. But poor judgment to not make it known on label. You guys owe Karl a little more leeway and me a fucking apology. The mistake he made here was not doing a separate label. But he made the blend known to many customers, myself included,before this test got done.

Thank you again Millard!

 

[G.I. Bro]

1) so Karl admitted his sample was contaminated with something that wasn't on the label but upon results of the testing, which included testing for the specific contaminant claimed as well as others, none was found. Why is Karl sending out what he believes is a contaminated batch of AAS????!!

2) you don't think GI bro should have received the treatment he did? Did you even bother to read his initial response to Trapmonster? The dude punked Trapmonster and Trapmonster continued to keep his cool. GI bro a red like a malicious punk which is why I responded to him the way I did. Had he stated his points without the subterfuge and malice I would have repsonded in kind.

3) and no, GI bros conclusions are not based on any logic no matter how it's spun. He email from the doctor doesn't say what you think it does and since it hasn't been posted it's basically irrelevant at this point.

I don't even have to address you anymore. This thread serves as a perfect example of what I dislike about meso. You were attacking before you even understood the inside info I was alluding to. You knew it was a scam, yet you had no idea what the real details were. I did. Look what happened? Anyone who reads this thread sees vindication and that you're an ass clown. You look silly in this thread. You didn't even know who Crimele was until halfway through the thread.

The fact Millard listened and dug for answers just reflects better on him and AL. I'm God damn impressed. I didn't think it would happen and old Karl just caught a tough break he'd have to deal with. Real good to see this from AL team. I emailed Karl and he was legitimately upset about it all because he makes a genuine effort to put out correctly dosed stuff. This could have been a blow to a brand he's working to strengthen. Some of you are saying things like "fillers" or acted like it's adulterated. This was a purposeful decision to cut with tpp, the pharmacokinetics and physiological response is essentially identicle to all tne ester. It's a moot point, there was 250+ testosterone in the vial.

 

[muscle96ss]

Either way he is lying by mislabeling products that are entering the market. Doesn't matter who he told or didn't tell.

If your friend buys you a burger and it's labeled as 100% angus beef but you find out it's actually 20% pork, some might not care but if you don't eat pork, you are going to be pretty pissed off. It's the same thing here.

What if my friend buys a burger and is told at the counter that it is 20% kobe beef although its wrapped in a 100% angus beef wrapper. Should he complain that the burger joint is a bunch of lying scammers.

 

[MythotiK]

Kobe and AAS are both illegal in the US, so ya!!

 

[Docd187123]

I don't even have to address you anymore. This thread serves as a perfect example of what I dislike about meso. You were attacking before you even understood the inside info I was alluding to. You knew it was a scam, yet you had no idea what the real details were. I did. Look what happened? Anyone who reads this thread sees vindication and that you're an ass clown. You look silly in this thread. You didn't even know who Crimele was until halfway through the thread.

The fact Millard listened and dug for answers just reflects better on him and AL. I'm God damn impressed. I didn't think it would happen and old Karl just caught a tough break he'd have to deal with. Real good to see this from AL team. I emailed Karl and he was legitimately upset about it all because he makes a genuine effort to put out correctly dosed stuff. This could have been a blow to a brand he's working to strengthen. Some of you are saying things like "fillers" or acted like it's adulterated. This was a purposeful decision to cut with tpp, the pharmacokinetics and physiological response is essentially identicle to all tne ester. It's a moot point, there was 250+ testosterone in the vial.

Hey guess what buddy?! You were kinda right and I was kinda wrong but you can STILL go fuck yourself for the response you gave to Trapmonster . Better?

 

[GigaloRob]

This is why I respect you. I knew you'd look into it and make it right. Imo, all this does is make me trust Anaboliclab.com even more because when something seems off, you're going to follow it to ground even if it could make AL look bad.

Imo, chemtox just didn't do the cross checks it said it did, unfortunately.

Meso, you need to take a hard look at this thread and see how you guys fucking crucified me and labeled me a shill for raising some questions. We're all on the same team and all want the same thing here. This is my gripe with meso, exactly the shit that went down here. I don't think Karl should have cut with tpp unless it was on the label. But, that said, it has the same pharmacokinetics as 250 enanthate and he wanted to make sure the dose was equivalent or he wouldn't have bothered directing them to cook it that way (200 tne / 60 tpp). In the end, same real world effective dose. But poor judgment to not make it known on label. You guys owe Karl a little more leeway and me a fucking apology. The mistake he made here was not doing a separate label. But he made the blend known to many customers, myself included,before this test got done.

Thank you again Millard!

Nobody owes you any apolgy. You were spouting off about a email that nobody else here was able to read or make their own judgement. Nobody here was given any access to that supposed email. People commented on the information they had. Also please tell me how anyone can purposely add compounds to a product and then not label it as such?

All of this bickering and suspicion would of been negated if not for karls lack of transparency. If anything this whole issue is his fault, not yours, his customers, or the members here. Simply implying he told every single customer that bought test e that phenyl was also in the vial is not even realistic. This whole mess is karls doing, karls responsibility, and karls to fix/ repair.

 

[MythotiK]

Kobe and AAS are both illegal in the US, so ya!!

Well, Kobe is kinda legal now :/

 

[G.I. Bro]

This is really unprofessional and surprising from an accredited lab. It concerns me regarding the other tests performed by Chemtox and how this reflects on the AnabolicLab program. I know AnabolicLab is not at fault for the mistakes of the laboratory. However, the program is built on the basis of reliable and infallible data provided by these labs. Questions need to be answered and the situation addressed correctly for the integrity of the program. If there is a solution to prevent this in the future, this also needs to be addressed.

I don't know how many times I've seen you cock jockeys reference "accredited lab" over and fucking over in this thread like it means they were the ultimate authority immune from all error, and most important, what occurred here - misrepresentation of work done that wasn't. You idiots have no idea how little "accredited lab" means. Crimele did what it takes to get chemtox certified and accredited. It's his small time shop operation. Again, you guys make judgments not really having a fucking clue. Oh oh oh it's an accredited lab. Shit it's gospel then. Wait what does that even mean again? Not much. It's a dude trying to make money like everyone else (like the source you unfairly labeled a scammer). Thread is a god damn clown show like so many on meso. You guys get all righteous, witch hunting "scammer sources" but have no idea how hard it is to actually get reliable quality raws from the Chinese compounding factories. Even the sources with best intentions have issues at times. This thread is literally a perfect example of the rhetoric around here that gets old.