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Should hCG be kept frozen for later use?

Can hCG be kept frozen for later use?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 48.9%

  • No

    Votes: 23 51.1%
  • Total voters
    45
Northern Nutrition said:
The "guy" is Dr. John Crisler. He's been treating andropause and recording TRT/HRT research for a very long time. He's arguably one of the leading TRT docs on the planet.

His patients and thousands of others, including tens of thousands of AAS users who choose to prevent testicular atrophy and other benefits, have been freezing and thawing hCG for several years now. Blood work is consistently returned favorably and without issue. Ive personally been freezing hCG since 2012. My blood work and health indicates freezing has no significant negative effect. Full stop.

Dr. Crisler attends symposiums in order to share his findings with doctor from all over the world. And if you think that he would purposely lie about something as important as this, or that he would carelessly share data that is sketchy or unsupported, Im dont know how to respond to that. He's an extremely respected Doctor who has given his life to treating men who are suffering from andropause. And he's made advances in medicine that continue assist doctors around the world. I dont have the time to pen out his curriculum vitae, but its impressive.

I understand your skepticism, but to ignore all the data available about freezing hCG is simply foolish IMO. And i would speculate that the reason Scally ignores it is because of his animosity towards Dr Crisler. That's another long story and not one i would engage in here out of respect for them both.
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Not Crisler NN!! No!!
 
Michael Scally MD said:
I think the evidence is not there to freeze hCG for later use without running the risk of decreasing effectiveness. Why take the chance for any decreased efficacy, especially since it is your BALLS.

It would be nice (and easy) to test what freezing would do to hCG bioactivity. And, the end point must be bioactivity and NOT immunoactivity. As it would be a simple clinical trial, maybe someone will take the time to run.
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As much fun as that sounds, I think I'll just continue to buy in 2000 i.u. increments and reconstitute every few days rather than freeze the larger doses (possibly render inert) and save a whopping $3-$4. It's one of those things i'd like to know, but won't loose any sleep over. Now, whether or not Jamie Lee Curtis is a hemaphrodite or not, that's another story.......
atodd
 
Interesting reply. But the truth is, it all just conjecture. However, your animosity is quite clear too.

Id be more than willing to listen to your arguments if they weren't so one sided. And if your comments weren't so empty and void of any real evidence supporting your claims, i may be inclined to stick around and read them. But i have better things to do than read your hate mail.

No offense. I usually enjoy your comments and ideas.
 
Northern Nutrition said:
Interesting reply. But the truth is, it all just conjecture. However, your animosity is quite clear too.

Id be more than willing to listen to your arguments if they weren't so one sided. And if your comments weren't so empty and void of any real evidence supporting your claims, i may be inclined to stick around and read them. But i have better things to do than read your hate mail.

No offense. I usually enjoy your comments and ideas.
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I'm not sure if this was addressed to me but I'm not sympathetic to those promoting quackery and I make no attempt to hide my contempt for such people in my posts. That's just the way I am, sports fans. ;)

Crisler is a convicted wife beater: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/dr-john-crisler-arrest-the-war-on-men.134324824/


It's not my comments that are void of evidence but Chrisler's. I can't prove a negative; it's up to Crisler to prove adrenal fatigue and reverse T3 dominance are real diseases. They are not, nor do they exist in the literature.

Now you may ask why would a physician treat a disease that doesn't exist? Or isn't known to exist? One (unlikely) possibility is that he has discovered a previously unknown disease. But, if that were the case, he surely would have published his findings. Since he hasn't, one can safely conclude the reason is because Crisler knows his hypotheses won't withstand the scrutiny of peer review. Now, it's also possible that he truly believes in these diseases without evidence, but that's not practicing evidence based medicine, it's religion. Hence the reference to cult leader Jim Jones.

However, the most likely reason a physician might treat a fictitious disease - and this is usually always the case - is money.

In regards to your comment that Crisler is "highly respected" in the field of medicine, I offer the following op-ed:

Dr. Crisler, I fear for your medical soul

"I have no idea if what Crisler does is legal or not, but in my opinion, it is extremely unethical."

http://scienceblogs.com/whitecoatunderground/2010/01/11/dr-crisler-i-fear-for-your-med/​


As far as supporting my statement that Crisler resorts to personal attacks and childish insults when challenged for his bullshit by those who know better, he is famous for it. This example is the administrator of a hair loss forum having to admonish Crisler for his belligerence. There are countless other examples:

http://www.hairlosshelp.com/forums/...=84859&STARTPAGE=13&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

"Dr. Crisler

While I appreciate hearing your opinions on hormonal issues, I have a hard time reading through most of your posts because they are so full of unnecessary personal attacks.

It's against our forum rules to engage in unnecessary personal attacks like you have been doing.

While I respect the fact that you feel you are being disrespected here, I don't see anywhere near the level of personal attacks being levelled against you, as you are levelling against others.

People have the right to question others and I don't feel that they should somehow be presented as a stalker, a nitwit, a shill for a drug company, lacking in manhood or possessing any other character flaw simply for doing so.

Please refrain from these attacks otherwise I am going to close this thread."​
 
Datbtrue is the greatest expert on peptides and he says you can freeze your hcg after reconstituted and use it until the expiration date
 
READING through this thread made me more confused than i was initially so i think i will just follow the instructions tht come with the vial.
DO NOT FREEZE ;)
 
I have discussed this topic before and the data I can find isn't plenty in regards to damage to the protein in hCG from freezing it or freeze-thaw cycles.
The question itself is very basic, but when it comes to application the question should read.
"Is it a better idea to freeze some hCG if you are planning on using it for 10 weeks or more?"

You have to consider the rate the hCG will denature in the refrigerator, in which I cannot find any data on this either. Versus the amount of damage done to the proteins in hCG from freezing it.

I would say it is on a situation to situation basis. If I got a 11k hcg vial and would pose myself the question, should I freeze half of it for later use and use half now(if I need to only use 5.5k that is) I would opt to freeze half.
 
I'm still fertile while on AAS. Got my girl pregnant right in the middle of a blast. My balls are a great size and I'm on TRT, cruise and blast

Is that all you have? I'm a little confused by your statement.

mands
 
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Sorry if this is an ignorant question but should it be kept in the refrigerator? I don't freeze mine but I do keep it in the fridge
 
Well you can understand why Big Pharma doesn't want people to freeze it. It would cut into their profits. So we cant expect them to come out with a study saying that freezing it is acceptable.

I will try the experiment myself. Mix the 5000iu of powder with 5000mg of sterile water (not bac water)

Take three of the 5ML vials and fill one with 2000iu, the next with 2000iu and the 3rd with 1000iu.

Place vial one in the refrigerator to use up within 30 days. Place vials 2 and 3 in the freezer. One day before needed I will take vial 2 out of the freezer and place it in the refrigerator to thaw out slowly over 24 hours.
 
Baxter513-proton said:
Thats why he has no avatar. His wife only wants to do it doggy style so that she doesnt have to look at his shoulders.He has the shoulders of pee wee herman
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Sorry for the troll but when you post now alI I can think of is ^^^^ :rolleyes: Pee wee ? Shot yourself in the foot on that one:confused:
 
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