[SOURCE] Canadian Domestic Anabolics Introduction

[D.bagg]

I just hope that if we do get more people to voice there opinions on this matter, that we don’t have any biases. That would only complicate things further. Honesty is key.

 

[cflow69]

I just hope that if we do get more people to voice there opinions on this matter, that we don’t have any biases. That would only complicate things further. Honesty is key.

That's why I've called in the bid dogs brother . They been around the boards for quite some time . I trust both of there opinions !

 

[CDNDA]

Ive had some time to think clearly. Using my brain instead of reacting.

I want to apologize to the entire board, especially @Steve84 , who caught the brunt of my outburst. It was uncalled for and, quite frankly, ridiculous.

Im not sure what to do. Id remove all the products i used to make the T400 and other test products but they were from a different raw batch. The tren npp and prop are all from raws and products I have on hand.

I think I may stay closed until i get testing back. I honestly do not wish to sell a bad product. Ive worked hard here. But it's not about me selling gear. I could care less if I dont sell another vial. I want happy clients, even if theyre no longer mine.

Im not a professional steroid seller...im guilty. However i am also not a scammer. If my products arent right, i want to know about it. So i can fix it. Even if it's too late for me here...which im sure it is. Just for myself. As ill use the raws for myself.

I feel badly. I am sorry. Ill await the results of the other testing. Ive got testers info. Im sending him some as well. As I mentioned just for my own info.

I wont screw anyone over. If im kicked out of here, ill make sure everyone is made whole before I go.

 

[Steve84]

@CDNDA

A lot has been said and that cannot be undone.
What I can say and confirm, is that CDN has reached out to me. He has apologized and we are going to work to make things right.
I cannot say what that looks like as we haven't gotten that far yet.

First and foremost, he has assured me that the testing will be covered for the T400, Npp 200, Tren A 200 and Test P 200.
Where we go from there, we will have to discuss and find a path that works for us both.

My apologies to you CDN, things got out of hand here. I accept your apology and we will work to see the results of the pending tests. My apologies for blowing this up.

I will ask Analzyer to expedite the tests when he receives them so the board and you are not waiting for the results.

 

[3ml]

Ok I’m going to jump in here.
Your last post was your best one yet it seemed honest and from the heart.

Obviously there is an issue here and Steve is willing to work with you on it.

Obviously you need to get to the bottom of this issue wether it’s a mistake by analyzer or something on your end. Once the issue is identified then you can move forward. Meso is full of a lot of great guys and once the problem is rectified I’m sure this over time will become old news. Don’t give up on Meso, forge ahead and you will come out on top of this I’m sure.
Good luck

 

[3ml]

@CDNDA

A lot has been said and that cannot be undone.
What I can say and confirm, is that CDN has reached out to me. He has apologized and we are going to work to make things right.
I cannot say what that looks like as we haven't gotten that far yet.

First and foremost, he has assured me that the testing will be covered for the T400, Npp 200, Tren A 200 and Test P 200.
Where we go from there, we will have to discuss and find a path that works for us both.

My apologies to you CDN, things got out of hand here. I accept your apology and we will work to see the results of the pending tests. My apologies for blowing this up.

I will ask Analzyer to expedite the tests when he receives them so the board and you are not waiting for the results.

Glad to see you guys are making forward progress. Hopefully this turns into a positive situation for both of you

 

[Steve84]

Glad to see you guys are making forward progress. Hopefully this turns into a positive situation for both of you

Fuck I can take all of this if I walk out with
Npp 200
Test p 200
Tren a 200

Now what will my leg say if they actually are dosed that... will be a different story! Hahaha
I'm pretty excited for those results.

 

[3ml]

Fuck I can take all of this if I walk out with
Npp 200
Test p 200
Tren a 200

Now what will my leg say if they actually are dosed that... will be a different story! Hahaha
I'm pretty excited for those results.

Ya fuck me i don’t know that if want to try NPP or Test P at that dose good chance it may have a whallop

 

[Cownan]

@Steve84 Who tests 200 mg under par ?

No one. Or amateurs anyways. Weak raws, sure. Maybe even 10-20mg under or overdosed I can see and when its t400 or sust350. But then its not a big deal imo at that mg/ml

I simply do not trust either of you. I know who you are and what you do. Lets say conflict of interest. How do i know youbtwo arent messing with the samples?

They had done this to other labs man. Dig around. They arent out to scam anyone from what Ive seen. What would be the end game of that if they already paid for product

If i knew you were the type to post private conversations i never would have done business with you. Thats that. Im done with you @Steve84

Any client has the right to post messages between them and a lab if theyre getting fucked over imo. Problem is no one ever posts the good PMs. Only the bad. Thats why each and every lab owner, rep, shill, whatever should always tread lightly.

Im going to say this, and no offence CDNDA but half of your posts on meso were like that of listening to someone high on drugs. Very unprofessional in my opinion

But then you posted this and gained a fuckton of respect from me for it so Ill recant a bunch of what ive said throughout this thread as this takes a very big man to state this. So I will apologize for some of my behaviour as well

Ive had some time to think clearly. Using my brain instead of reacting.

I want to apologize to the entire board, especially @Steve84 , who caught the brunt of my outburst. It was uncalled for and, quite frankly, ridiculous.

Im not sure what to do. Id remove all the products i used to make the T400 and other test products but they were from a different raw batch. The tren npp and prop are all from raws and products I have on hand.

I think I may stay closed until i get testing back. I honestly do not wish to sell a bad product. Ive worked hard here. But it's not about me selling gear. I could care less if I dont sell another vial. I want happy clients, even if theyre no longer mine.

Im not a professional steroid seller...im guilty. However i am also not a scammer. If my products arent right, i want to know about it. So i can fix it. Even if it's too late for me here...which im sure it is. Just for myself. As ill use the raws for myself.

I feel badly. I am sorry. Ill await the results of the other testing. Ive got testers info. Im sending him some as well. As I mentioned just for my own info.

I wont screw anyone over. If im kicked out of here, ill make sure everyone is made whole before I go.

Ya fuck me i don’t know that if want to try NPP or Test P at that dose good chance it may have a whallop

You wouldnt be able to walk man. NPP crashes at 150mg/ml. If hes somehow gotten it to hold at 200 it ill be the deathshot lol. Id rather just get a turkey baster and take more in at one time

 

[WCL]

Thanks.

Regarding solvents:
If you take a look into the report, on page 2 is a the gas chromatography report. Each compound has unique retention time, what is the position of a peak on the x-axis. Retention times (in minutes) for solvents are as follows:
Benzyl alcohol - 2.92
Benzyl Benzoate - 7.42
Ethyl Oleate - 9.26
In the T400 report is present huge peak at 2.92. The signal intensity is more than 10x stronger than usual intensity in most of samples I have tested, so I would expect that BA concentration in the sample is about 20%. I can make a calibration and determine its concentration exactly.
There is also a small peak at 7.42, but its intensity is less than 1/100 of intensity of this peak in other samples I have recently tested, so it is probably artifact. In case BB is really present in the sample, its concentration is probably not more than 0.2%.

Regarding dosage:
There is another report published by @Steve84 for pharmacom TE300, which was was tested by me. The result I got was 302 mg/mL. Assuming the product was really dosed at 300 mg/mL, my test was correct with error less than 1%. Why would then the T400 sample tested the same day using the same method would come with error almost 100%? Moreover, I have tested this sample twice because of the dianabol issue. The testosterone dosage was almost the same in both cases.

The false positive test for dianabol was my mistake, I probably had trace of it in the system from previously tested raw samples. The retest resolved this issue and showed that there is no dianabol present in the T400 sample.

Quoting analyzer "In the T400 report is present huge peak at 2.92. The signal intensity is more than 10x stronger than usual intensity in most of samples I have tested, so I would expect that BA concentration in the sample is about 20%."

At 2.9 minutes there is no chance that much separation took place... Any contamination that has similar properties to BA (like methanol, commonly used in the laboratory) *could* also increase the peak size.

Is there something I am missing here?

 

[Analyzer]

Quoting analyzer "In the T400 report is present huge peak at 2.92. The signal intensity is more than 10x stronger than usual intensity in most of samples I have tested, so I would expect that BA concentration in the sample is about 20%."

At 2.9 minutes there is no chance that much separation took place... Any contamination that has similar properties to BA (like methanol, commonly used in the laboratory) *could* also increase the peak size.

Is there something I am missing here?

Yes, you are missing the fact that BA is a way different from MeOH or other laboratory solvents, so there is no problem to separate them using GC. For example the trichloromethane I use as solvent is coming out at 1.65 min in this method.

 

[WCL]

Yes, you are missing the fact that BA is a way different from MeOH or other laboratory solvents, so there is no problem to separate them using GC. For example the trichloromethane I use as solvent is coming out at 1.65 min in this method.

GC usually (not always) works on separating by polarity. Chloroform (tricholoromethane) you mention has polarity vastly different from BA or methanol so it obviously would be separated from either of them.

https://sites.google.com/site/miller00828/in/solvent-polarity-table

I'm not saying that it's 100% the case, or that it was methanol... I'm just saying it's a possibility.... And that possibility sounds more likely to me than somebody doing 20% BA.

Shit, 4% make me limp for days.

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The other possibility is that CDNDA mixed up his solvents. A simple freeze test would be able to tell you if the BB in his possession is labelled correct, as BB freezes at 18*c.

If he is able to get his "BB" to say -5*c and have it stay liquid, it may be a mislabel and actually be BA (Freezing point of BA is -15*c)

 

[mands]

@Skull I know ur on the other side of the border but all in all were on this board for the same reasons . And we're defenitly here to protect the community ! Let me know your thoughts on this and also @mands maybe u can chime in on this situation as well need this shit to go viral.

Just got to this @cflow69 sorry it wasn't sooner. Looks like things could be working themselves out.

@CDNDA I'm glad you realized you were acting inappropriately for the position you were taking. All is usually solved if composer is kept.

@Steve84 you're a good man to work this out.

I would advise all to make mental notes about this situation and if something like this occurs again it would seem CDNDA isn't cut out for repping.

mands

 

[D.bagg]

Quick question, I know CDN is working on his TA rn but if anyone has ordered from him previously, do you mind sharing how long it took to get to you?

I’d assumed it would be here by now, I ordered on the 17th.

 

[Steve84]

Quick question, I know CDN is working on his TA rn but if anyone has ordered from him previously, do you mind sharing how long it took to get to you?

I’d assumed it would be here by now, I ordered on the 17th.

My pack that should've shipped last Monday didn't arrive either yet for me.
I'd wait a few more days as he said he got everything that was pending out Monday/Tue. And orders on the weekend don't process...sooo

 

[Willygoat]

I'm in the same boat as well.

 

[cflow69]

Just got to this @cflow69 sorry it wasn't sooner. Looks like things could be working themselves out.

@CDNDA I'm glad you realized you were acting inappropriately for the position you were taking. All is usually solved if composer is kept.

@Steve84 you're a good man to work this out.

I would advise all to make mental notes about this situation and if something like this occurs again it would seem CDNDA isn't cut out for repping.

mands

Thanks @mands . Seems as I called in the big dogs he started to think a little more about his situation and how he was flying off the handle .

 

[CDNDA]

I had done some thinking.

I bit off more than I can chew.

I cannot be all things to all people. It just isnt possible.

Effective immediately

I have quarentined all products made with the raws i used to make the T400. Until i get them tested they will not be used.

Ill be freeze testing my BB.

I will no longer be offering custom brews. It seems my problems began once i started this. I may revisit the option at a later date but for now it's shelved indefinitely.

I will be paring down my offerings somewhat. I am only one person. I think i tried to walk before i learned to crawl. So to speak. No...i tried to sprint before i was even born...absolutely crazy.

I am not a big source. I wont pretend to be again. So some raws, as they run out will not be reordered.

I was doing just fine offering a more limited selection. I wasnt setting the world alight but i my clients were more or less, for lack of a better word, happy.

All long waiting orders are shipped. In the future if i manage to get an order and it'll be longer than 1 or two days handling time, I'll be upfront about it before accepting the order. This is a stress neither the client nor I need or want for that matter.

Moving forward, I will do my very best to think before I speak. Im not a stupid man but I seem to play one convincingly on Meso.

Issues that arise will be handled in a more thought first fashion. Instead of my current asshole first fashion I seem to have adopted.

I basically did things I said I wouldnt do. I'm man enough to admit I fucked up. I did so in spectacular fashion.

Im trying to think of something memorable to end with...i have nothing. So ill just end this with I need to do better. I will do better.

All the best.

CDA.

 

[D.bagg]

I had done some thinking.

I bit off more than I can chew.

I cannot be all things to all people. It just isnt possible.

Effective immediately

I have quarentined all products made with the raws i used to make the T400. Until i get them tested they will not be used.

Ill be freeze testing my BB.

I will no longer be offering custom brews. It seems my problems began once i started this. I may revisit the option at a later date but for now it's shelved indefinitely.

I will be paring down my offerings somewhat. I am only one person. I think i tried to walk before i learned to crawl. So to speak. No...i tried to sprint before i was even born...absolutely crazy.

I am not a big source. I wont pretend to be again. So some raws, as they run out will not be reordered.

I was doing just fine offering a more limited selection. I wasnt setting the world alight but i my clients were more or less, for lack of a better word, happy.

All long waiting orders are shipped. In the future if i manage to get an order and it'll be longer than 1 or two days handling time, I'll be upfront about it before accepting the order. This is a stress neither the client nor I need or want for that matter.

Moving forward, I will do my very best to think before I speak. Im not a stupid man but I seem to play one convincingly on Meso.

Issues that arise will be handled in a more thought first fashion. Instead of my current asshole first fashion I seem to have adopted.

I basically did things I said I wouldnt do. I'm man enough to admit I fucked up. I did so in spectacular fashion.

Im trying to think of something memorable to end with...i have nothing. So ill just end this with I need to do better. I will do better.

All the best.

CDA.

I respect that. I can tell it’s really genuine, other than the fact that you’re cornered here on meso, I honestly feel like you mean what you said. At least you’re taking responsibility for your actions so we can move past this. Quarantine on the T400 raws until you get them tested is the smartest thing you can do at this point, instead of trying to back up your product. It will cause people to overreact, otherwise.

 

[Steve84]

I respect that. I can tell it’s really genuine, other than the fact that you’re cornered here on meso, I honestly feel like you mean what you said. At least you’re taking responsibility for your actions so we can move past this. Quarantine on the T400 raws until you get them tested is the smartest thing you can do at this point, instead of trying to back up your product. It will cause people to overreact, otherwise.

If it means anything, me being the one that did take a chunk of that....he emailed me stepping forward.
He did take the first step.
Sometime's we get upset and look back at the posts and wish things cooled off a bit before.
I did feel bad as things got out of hand.

While we have to work through the problem he did seem to care.