SpartaPharmaUSA (Domestic)

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Finally some honesty, I couldn't of said it better myself!

Obviously nobody would care if you said it.

 

[OldSmice]

Pretty much anyone can post nearly anything they want here. There are a lot of overly particular individuals in many of these threads, but it comes with the territory.

 

[T-Bagger]

quite a bit of source dick riding in that TGI thread. dont see anybody trying to put a stop to that. 10% dose deviation is toilet water? Did I miss something? Pristine has had a fucking shit load of problems and he's still alive here, maybe not well but he hasnt been run off yet. So how is that on one source Jano's testing is flawed and he gets another pass but this dude needs to go? Were trusting Jano again? How the fuck do you guys decide whos a fucked up source and who's not? It sure isnt based on anything logical. Has he fucked anybody yet? SAS was fucking people left and right and he was around peddling his wares until HE decided to walk away. His stuff wasnt anymore or less accurately dosed and tested by the same guy....

The biggest problem is this dude comes in talking big and when put to the test, he backs down. He made bold ass claims about “I won’t lower my prices and devalue my gear” and now we have a glimpse of his value. The other source tests his shit and does more than any other source ever has and you want to talk about dick riding? Meso gets a fucking source who has done EVERY FUCKING THING that has been asked of A UGL and THEN some and people still give him shit! So yeah, if those of us who like what he’s doing and offering are considered dick riding, then so be it.

This cock face comes in and tries to bro it up and be the cool guy and dodges questions and stalls. You’re damn right we’re riding him hard. And @balco, I don’t get in on the “fuck balco” train, but STFU.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

quite a bit of source dick riding in that TGI thread. dont see anybody trying to put a stop to that. 10% dose deviation is toilet water? Did I miss something? Pristine has had a fucking shit load of problems and he's still alive here, maybe not well but he hasnt been run off yet. So how is that on one source Jano's testing is flawed and he gets another pass but this dude needs to go? Were trusting Jano again? How the fuck do you guys decide whos a fucked up source and who's not? It sure isnt based on anything logical. Has he fucked anybody yet? SAS was fucking people left and right and he was around peddling his wares until HE decided to walk away. His stuff wasnt anymore or less accurately dosed and tested by the same guy....

I believe there’s potential here. It’s pretty close to meeting what everyone is looking for in a UGL. If they adjust a few things and address a few others they might get it right.

The testing is what it is for right now. When they put batch numbers on their vials it’ll start to be meaningful. They agreed to do this. That’s a big step forward.

They offer credit for testing. That’s big. Most dudes don’t take advantage of that. That’s something we all miss out on.

The raw testing is what it is, that benefits them more anyway to adjust in the brewing process. They’ll likely come back above 95% pure anyway. When was the last time we saw a report significantly off???

And once they brew those raws I hope they submit their own samples.

If all that is done, I don’t see what else we can ask for. At that point it’s up to us to send samples in to validate everything.

 

[T&H]

I'm surprised sparta hasn't at least addressed the question posted, even if it's a no. I expect him to eventually...he just donated to anaboliclab so I assume he plans to stay a while.

 

[Brawny]

He claimed he was sick all weekend on SST. Maybe he lost the keys to the raws room, who knows lol

 

[T-Bagger]

I'm surprised sparta hasn't at least addressed the question posted, even if it's a no. I expect him to eventually...he just donated to anaboliclab so I assume he plans to stay a while.

He knows if he answers no then it shows guilt. If he answers yes and stuff is revealed (which I have a STRONG suspicion of), he will have nothing but trouble. His AL donation, while a good sign is really a drop on the bucket. The dude blows $1k/month at BoP alone.

He claimed he was sick all weekend on SST. Maybe he lost the keys to the raws room, who knows lol

Probably a sick kid or a family member he had to go bail out.

 

[cochino]

I believe there’s potential here. It’s pretty close to meeting what everyone is looking for in a UGL. If they adjust a few things and address a few others they might get it right.

The testing is what it is for right now. When they put batch numbers on their vials it’ll start to be meaningful. They agreed to do this. That’s a big step forward.

They offer credit for testing. That’s big. Most dudes don’t take advantage of that. That’s something we all miss out on.

The raw testing is what it is, that benefits them more anyway to adjust in the brewing process. They’ll likely come back above 95% pure anyway. When was the last time we saw a report significantly off???

And once they brew those raws I hope they submit their own samples.

If all that is done, I don’t see what else we can ask for. At that point it’s up to us to send samples in to validate everything.

I get what you and @Worf are saying. The problem I have is the guy basically went Awol and never addressed @T-Bagger question. He came in here saying he would be open and upfront. I don't have a big problem with the variations of the finished oils, but it would be nice if @SpartaPharmaUSA had adressed this issue. TGI does and I think thats all we are asking. Not doing so doesn't give me much confidence. What else is he hiding? FFS, its not that hard to come out and be honest.

 

[mp46]

@Worf The issues come about because TGI has shown it's possible, therefore other sources are expected to meet those standards. Look at his intro thread and he was melt testing everything just like everyone else. But as the sources to make a better product came about like WM and testing, He took advantage of that, and Meso has upped the standards since. Blame him and the customers all you want about riding his dick but he single handedly upped the bar for every single source going forward.

Is there anything wrong with a 10% swing? Not really it's been the standard for a very long time, but as I said some shit head went and upped those standards. So the members of MESO can either accept the standards that worked for a long time, or they can force the source to get on par with the new meso standards.

 

[Worf]

The biggest problem is this dude comes in talking big and when put to the test, he backs down. He made bold ass claims about “I won’t lower my prices and devalue my gear” and now we have a glimpse of his value. The other source tests his shit and does more than any other source ever has and you want to talk about dick riding? Meso gets a fucking source who has done EVERY FUCKING THING that has been asked of A UGL and THEN some and people still give him shit! So yeah, if those of us who like what he’s doing and offering are considered dick riding, then so be it.

This cock face comes in and tries to bro it up and be the cool guy and dodges questions and stalls. You’re damn right we’re riding him hard. And @balco, I don’t get in on the “fuck balco” train, but STFU.

I mean I dont disagree but TGI didnt do any of that from the get go, it took him some time. I think his board presence has much to do with his success because yall are fucking needy. I dont really want to buy from a source that can take orders but cant respond to questions. I dont think this dude has potential to be a SP or TGI but he's not the fucking anti christ either and doesnt need to be run off as of yet.

@Worf The issues come about because TGI has shown it's possible, therefore other sources are expected to meet those standards. Look at his intro thread and he was melt testing everything just like everyone else. But as the sources to make a better product came about like WM and testing, He took advantage of that, and Meso has upped the standards since. Blame him and the customers all you want about riding his dick but he single handedly upped the bar for every single source going forward.

Is there anything wrong with a 10% swing? Not really it's been the standard for a very long time, but as I said some shit head went and upped those standards. So the members of MESO can either accept the standards that worked for a long time, or they can force the source to get on par with the new meso standards.

The free market is a great thing isnt it? Well TGI and Sp are private so its not exactly a straight comparison. Yall want everything TGI does from every new source from day 1. Thats just plain silly. Neither of those guys did it overnight and SP's board presence is worse than this guys. So what I see here is most of you guys are using a single private source as the "standard" to compare everyone to when he is probably the exception rather than the rule.
An actual problem I see here is Sparta is a full time source and on 3 other boards but hasnt really worked out little issues and cant answer serious brewing questions. it comes off very amatuerish

 

[mp46]

I think it was this thread I called him on a bunch of stuff that's amateur and not of an established lab.

I think the only things being requested are an autoclave and testing. A guy that's been sourcing for years and doesn't have a clave is sketch. And Testing wasn't available when TGI came on scene, as soon as WM showed up he started sending in samples. Feel free to point out anything else but those are the only two comparisons I remember.

 

[Worf]

I think it was this thread I called him on a bunch of stuff that's amateur and not of an established lab.

I think the only things being requested are an autoclave and testing. A guy that's been sourcing for years and doesn't have a clave is sketch. And Testing wasn't available when TGI came on scene, as soon as WM showed up he started sending in samples. Feel free to point out anything else but those are the only two comparisons I remember.

Jano was around, not sure if he does raws? Thats something that goes back around to my posts earlier. Some guys will use Jano to discredit a source and other times he doesnt know how to test samples. I dont know man. Im not gona say this dude looks perfect. The flags are there but they seem to be yellow rather than red at this point. He definitely seems amatuerish and I cant personally say I'd buy from him at this point. If he cleans his shit up, maybe. I just think some guys are trying to burn it down a bit early.

 

[T-Bagger]

Jano was around, not sure if he does raws? Thats something that goes back around to my posts earlier. Some guys will use Jano to discredit a source and other times he doesnt know how to test samples. I dont know man. Im not gona say this dude looks perfect. The flags are there but they seem to be yellow rather than red at this point. He definitely seems amatuerish and I cant personally say I'd buy from him at this point. If he cleans his shit up, maybe. I just think some guys are trying to burn it down a bit early.

He deliberately dodged my request for FULL disclosure and made sure to only give W&M permission for the 6 raws he submitted. That is pretty much 100% confirmation to me that he’s hiding something.

 

[Worf]

He deliberately dodged my request for FULL disclosure and made sure to only give W&M permission for the 6 raws he submitted. That is pretty much 100% confirmation to me that he’s hiding something.

it does seem like he's been absent since you brought that up. I really dont like to jump to conclusions, I like to let it play out. I think he needs to be much more in the know if this is his full time job and answer these questions.

 

[BBrownOrphen]

I know my post mean absolutely shit here compared to you guys but this dude has helped me a ton with the cryto currency, and constantly changing the order i want to place and has been completely patient with my dumb inexperienced ass. I am a complete amateur. I will post pics of his product delivery as soon as they hit the door. Tired of paying gym price mark up and no consistency on manufacturer. The other guy who dominates the market here domestically wouldnt even talk to me, rightfully so i have zero clout or creds. Now i will post some bloods with his product but close to 15 weeks before i start the next cycle with his products.

 

[T-Bagger]

it does seem like he's been absent since you brought that up. I really dont like to jump to conclusions, I like to let it play out. I think he needs to be much more in the know if this is his full time job and answer these questions.

Exactly

 

[T-Bagger]

I know my post mean absolutely shit here compared to you guys but this dude has helped me a ton with the cryto currency, and constantly changing the order i want to place and has been completely patient with my dumb inexperienced ass. I am a complete amateur. I will post pics of his product delivery as soon as they hit the door. Tired of paying gym price mark up and no consistency on manufacturer. The other guy who dominates the market here domestically wouldnt even talk to me, rightfully so i have zero clout or creds. Now i will post some bloods with his product but close to 15 weeks before i start the next cycle with his products.

Best thing you can do is send it off for testing and I believe he will reimburse you for the vial as well as give you store credit to cover your testing.

 

[BBrownOrphen]

Reading up on the forums on that now. I will update everyone. Im 90% positive i will be doing that.
Im a complete amateur to this shit.

 

[T-Bagger]

Reading up on the forums on that now. I will update everyone. Im 90% positive i will be doing that.
Im a complete amateur to this shit.

All good bro, just ask!

 

[Worf]

I know my post mean absolutely shit here compared to you guys but this dude has helped me a ton with the cryto currency, and constantly changing the order i want to place and has been completely patient with my dumb inexperienced ass. I am a complete amateur. I will post pics of his product delivery as soon as they hit the door. Tired of paying gym price mark up and no consistency on manufacturer. The other guy who dominates the market here domestically wouldnt even talk to me, rightfully so i have zero clout or creds. Now i will post some bloods with his product but close to 15 weeks before i start the next cycle with his products.

well so far his finish product tests are decent and he seems to deliver. tit pics are good, especially the blonde girl.He leaves something to be desired in his brewing expertise and board presence. You are his target audience and theres nothing wrong with that. Its a ton better than $80 test and $100 tren at the gym.
Dont fall in love with him yet.
This is MESO, we hold our sources to a bit higher standard