I trust @Connor 25257 is being honest. Although I don't agree with some of the things he may say on the boards I've had many private conversations with him and I don't have a issue with him. In his defense.... he thinks I'm pharma, lol. Well, it is in the name, haha. One thing I gotta bust your chops on, Connor. Some of the biggest names in bodybuilding, power lifting and other professional sports do use ugl. I know this for a fact ![Smile :) :)](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)