SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

[bolder]

So the possibilities moving forward could be....

*Less raws being manufactured in China
*Ban on export of raws (ect) from China
*Price increases
*Current sources may cease to exist
*Fewer sources on the market
*Supply can’t keep up with demand
*Big door opens for scammers and fake products
*Slight pause for a bit, dust settles, then things go back to normal

Anything I’m missing!?

Never hurts to be informed of all possibilities!

I mean, I didn’t even consider less raws being manufactured in China until @XKawN mentioned it.

 

[SymBiotics]

"What makes this interesting is the sources that are somewhat established in the underground... I’m wondering which will fade and which will prosper?"


That is a very funny and interesting topic. You should start a thread on this where members can bet.

No disrespect to symbiotics, seems like a nice enough guy, but he's already having issues with half his products being out of stock. He may be the first to go, lol.

You may be right.
But in my own defense: my stock depletion came as a result of the near simultaneous disappearance of one of the UGLs here and that of the raw supplier I just so happened to order from during that time. I got crazy busy with orders from former pristine customers and the raws I ordered to cover that didn't show up.
I don't know anyone who could have predicted those things happening at the same time.

In the end, I'm still simply going to do the best I can. I will always be OK if others aren't satisfied with my best effort----I will never be able to give more than all I have; so I won't lose sleep if my best isn't good enough.

 

[dicktree]

where do U.S. pharmacies get there raws? I thought it all came from China.

 

[SymBiotics]

So the possibilities moving forward could be....

*Less raws being manufactured in China
*Ban on export of raws (ect) from China
*Price increases
*Current sources may cease to exist
*Fewer sources on the market
*Supply can’t keep up with demand
*Big door opens for scammers and fake products
*Slight pause for a bit, dust settles, then things go back to normal

Anything I’m missing!?

Never hurts to be informed of all possibilities!

I mean, I didn’t even consider less raws being manufactured in China until @XKawN mentioned it.

Unfortunately, my best guess is that this will last (in theory) just over 2 years. China is hosting the 2022 Olympics; and this is thought to be a show of effort toward anti-doping.

I think something similar happened in 2008; but I was not in this industry then so I can't say for sure about that.

Either way, the technology and the ingredients aren't unique to China----only the cheap labor is.
Someone will take over if China doesn't figure a way out to keep producing.

 

[SymBiotics]

where do U.S. pharmacies get there raws? I thought it all came from China.

Excellent point. They do.
My main international supplier said there will be no problem getting non-hormone powders. I don't know where US pharmaceutical testosterone is produced.

 

[SymBiotics]

Happy 2020 everyone.
Incidentally, does anyone remember thinking we would have flying cars by now?
Was anyone here a fan of the show "Buck Rogers in the 21st Century"?
2020 was a pretty big year for Buck if memory serves

Restock should be complete in less than 10 days on most things.

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[JMpMasterSteve]

Happy 2020 everyone.
Incidentally, does anyone remember thinking we would have flying cars by now?
Was anyone here a fan of the show "Buck Rogers in the 21st Century"?
2020 was a pretty big year for Buck if memory serves

Restock should be complete in less than 10 days on most things.

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Mark me down for x100 tren ace

 

[Worf]

A Malibu is still a perfectly good car. But not if you’re paying Corvette prices for it! [emoji848]

Malibu is a good car with a vette motor in it

 

[wedorecover]

There’s roughly $2 worth of testosterone in a typical vial. Say prices double, now there’s $4 in a vial. You that broke that 5 more bucks is gonna break your bank ?

Lol u just can’t wrap ur head around it can u ..... it’s also 8 - 20 years fed time so let’s do it for half the money

 

[Professor Karman]

so let’s do it for half the money

? With his example if one charged $25 per vial they would make $21 per vial vs $23 ........

 

[XKawN]

? With his example if one charged $25 per vial they would make $21 per vial vs $23 ........

I hope you don't think that's what a source makes. With running a business there is a lot of overhead and other costs a homebrewer doesn't have. Sure, when factoring in the price per gram it doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider you need to come up with $20,000 to $30,000 per order and hope that order makes it or your business is on the verge of being wrecked. I wouldn't put much stock in people mentioning price per gram. They have no idea how to run a business. Like i said above. Raising prices $5 to $10 a vial isn't much when you think about the source going from paying $15,000 a pack to now $30,000 to $40,000 for that same pack. And if he loses that pack he goes from losing 15 grand to losing 30 to 40 grand.

 

[wedorecover]

I hope you don't think that's what a source makes. With running a business there is a lot of overhead and other costs a homebrewer doesn't have. Sure, when factoring in the price per gram it doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider you need to come up with $20,000 to $30,000 per order and hope that order makes it or your business is on the verge of being wrecked. I wouldn't put much stock in people mentioning price per gram. They have no idea how to run a business. Like i said above. Raising prices $5 to $10 a vial isn't much when you think about the source going from paying $15,000 a pack to now $30,000 to $40,000 for that same pack. And if he loses that pack he goes from losing 15 grand to losing 30 to 40 grand.

Your wasting your breath brother

 

[Professor Karman]

I hope you don't think that's what a source makes.

My point was that raising the price of raws by a factor of 2 and keeping your price the same wouldn't necessarily result in halving your profit as the guy I quoted said. The only way that would happen in that scenario would be if the overhead per vial was $19. Wasn't saying one way or the other whether sources should be raising their prices.

 

[Dead]

@SymBiotics
My test crashed in one vial all cloudy I fixed it with a lighter but still slight tint hair like crystals, so I’m assuming I should heat it more,

will there be any chance of the testosterone now not being equally distributed through the oil

 

[TankDog]

@SymBiotics
My test crashed in one vial all cloudy I fixed it with a lighter but still slight tint hair like crystals, so I’m assuming I should heat it more,

will there be any chance of the testosterone now not being equally distributed through the oil

Put it in the oven at 200 degrees for 10 minutes.

 

[janoshik]

@SymBiotics
My test crashed in one vial all cloudy I fixed it with a lighter but still slight tint hair like crystals, so I’m assuming I should heat it more,

will there be any chance of the testosterone now not being equally distributed through the oil

Don't worry about it, concentration-wise. At 250 mg or so of test in one ml, the tiny crystals like the ones you had described won't account for anything more than few mg in entire bottle.

 

[MaskedLiberty]

Uh yeah ? Haven’t paid for finished oil in years. You too stupid to do basic math ? Please explain how ALL the costs are relevant to this discussion. Every other variable is constant. The price of the powder is the only thing changing.

Ya I are too stoopid for basic math..........If you are talking personal use, you don't have that much overhead. I was looking at it from a source POV. My apologies to have poked your button. I did do my math, which equates to about a 10 dollar increase on middle of the road compounds like npp.

Carry on. Sorry for thread clogging.

 

[Praeceptorem]

Great ta and customer service, even after a Lil mishap. Everything was handled fast and easy. Just pinned some test E 300 no pip so far.

 

[alphastrength50]

Great ta and customer service, even after a Lil mishap. Everything was handled fast and easy. Just pinned some test E 300 no pip so far.

I love your avatar man, is that your girl?

 

[TNotch347]

I love your avatar man, is that your girl?

Well if it’s his mom I’m out,