SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

[bolder]

This EQ raw was diluted with some form of edible oil (vegetable oil). I compounded it and put it in vials but never labeled or released it.

Just so it is clear: I didn't dilute the EQ. It came to me that way

Thanks for testing!
This is why testing is so important!

Just curious, did your supplier offer you their own set of ‘test reports’ like they sometimes provide? I’d be leery using that supplier again, and definitely be asking some questions here! No doubt they cut it on you... smh.
Also this has me wondering about any other raws you have received from that supplier and how the purity in those would test?

Good on you for not releasing that product too quickly though. That could have been a mess and possibly ended your stay here if a member had sent that out for testing and came back under dosed.

This kind of testing with two separate labs is the kind of testing I can believe in and feel comfortable accepting the reports.
Now if the reports had came back way different my head might have exploded!

Note; I like emojis

 

[alphastrength50]

I used grape seed oil.
Just so it is clear: I didn't dilute the EQ. It came to me that way. It just seemed a bit less viscous than the EQ from my normal supplier when I went to compound it; so that is why I selected it as one of the two I sent in.

Also, I am not creating labels for this. My label template is for 300mg/ml (also have one for 500mg/ml but that will be far down the road); and I just don't have the time to make labels for this concentration.
So anyone who buys this will receive it unlabeled. I will make sure it is identifiable though----just no official labels.

Is it normal for raw supplier to dilute eq in veggie oil?? That's crazy man! Also how did it flow through the pin? Any different than gso solo? Thx.

 

[SymBiotics]

Thanks for testing!
This is why testing is so important!

Just curious, did your supplier offer you their own set of ‘test reports’ like they sometimes provide? I’d be leery using that supplier again, and definitely be asking some questions here! No doubt they cut it on you... smh.
Also this has me wondering about any other raws you have received from that supplier and how the purity in those would test?

Good on you for not releasing that product too quickly though. That could have been a mess and possibly ended your stay here if a member had sent that out for testing and came back under dosed.

This kind of testing with two separate labs is the kind of testing I can believe in and feel comfortable accepting the reports.
Now if the reports had came back way different my head might have exploded!

Note; I like emojis

 

[SymBiotics]

The test-C finished product in those tests is from the same supplier's raw material. I have some NPP raw that I never compounded because it looked different than my other NPP. It is one of the 22 samples I am preparing to send for analysis; along with some "Test-E" that is most likely not Test-E. They will probably go out on Monday if the rest of my Primo will ever show up.
No I got no COA from the supplier. I am convinced that this supplier's shipper ruined his business for him. I can imagine that there wasn't quite enough EQ to fill my order; and he just filled it with oil to reach the weight.
And yes, everything from the 3 new suppliers I used is being tested before release. Finished oils made from raw of my trusted supplier will be in this package for analysis as well. All the talk over the new Chinese law and prices, in my mind, opened the door for this kind of messiness.
This cost me some money for sure; but the time is what I can't get back. When I can't trust what I'm getting it takes a month out of product availability (2 weeks for testing and 2 weeks to get a new shipment).
Thankfully I ordered big from my other supplier at the same time. If they open back up to me after CNY; I don't believe I will mess with the domestic options again. I feel almost certain that I was burned by 2 of the 3 of them; and if my primo doesn't show up (it's been 10 days) it will be 3 of 3 domestic raw suppliers that have done bad business with me.
Live and learn I guess.

 

[SymBiotics]

Is it normal for raw supplier to dilute eq in veggie oil?? That's crazy man! Also how did it flow through the pin? Any different than gso solo? Thx.

Absolutely not. This was an effort (successful effort) to cheat me; no doubt about it.
I couldn't really tell a difference in the injections. It just seemed like normal EQ to me.
The sad part is that I have been using 200mg less than what I thought I was using this whole last week. So I will just start using my other EQ to limit the volume of injection.
It's just irritating to find out I wasted all that money, the time, the vials, autoclaving, etc, etc,etc.

 

[TNotch347]

Yea that’s a bitch. All honesty the way your an open book is great, an scary at the same time lol. Good luck with Chinese, I’ll be following to see how that deal turns out. Will this officially test the waters of this new ban?

 

[bolder]

The test-C finished product in those tests is from the same supplier's raw material. I have some NPP raw that I never compounded because it looked different than my other NPP. It is one of the 22 samples I am preparing to send for analysis; along with some "Test-E" that is most likely not Test-E. They will probably go out on Monday if the rest of my Primo will ever show up.
No I got no COA from the supplier. I am convinced that this supplier's shipper ruined his business for him. I can imagine that there wasn't quite enough EQ to fill my order; and he just filled it with oil to reach the weight.
And yes, everything from the 3 new suppliers I used is being tested before release. Finished oils made from raw of my trusted supplier will be in this package for analysis as well. All the talk over the new Chinese law and prices, in my mind, opened the door for this kind of messiness.
This cost me some money for sure; but the time is what I can't get back. When I can't trust what I'm getting it takes a month out of product availability (2 weeks for testing and 2 weeks to get a new shipment).
Thankfully I ordered big from my other supplier at the same time. If they open back up to me after CNY; I don't believe I will mess with the domestic options again. I feel almost certain that I was burned by 2 of the 3 of them; and if my primo doesn't show up (it's been 10 days) it will be 3 of 3 domestic raw suppliers that have done bad business with me.
Live and learn I guess.

Thanks for the detailed response. Looks like to me you have a great plan going forward. I’m sure having to deal with all that is very frustrating, to say the least.

So I gotta ask... Who are these domestic raws sources? Are they also on Meso?

My only reason for asking is to warn members here about these domestic sources. So they are better informed in making their decision when/if they’re considering one of those sources you are referring to. Might also keep them from receiving the same bad business that you’ve encountered.

 

[JC Grifter]

No, gonna just use the Test and Deca together. Just got the EQ to add to the collection, thinking of doing a cycle later this year that I will use it with.

I did the same lol. Grew my collection in light of the raw ban in China. I’m not sure what I want to do with all the EQ I got now lol. Original plan was just with test for 20 weeks but now I’m thinking to add something in the beginning or end

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Wife says no to the bare pic[emoji17], but was willing to participate somewhat. Best I could get[emoji16]View attachment 124892View attachment 124893

Don’t worry, she’ll come around... she was a good sport about it this time and next time those babies will be uncovered and popping out! [emoji33] If not, then maybe the butt!

Welcome to MESO!

 

[Rival]

This symbiotics guy impresses me. When I’m ready to place my first, it will be with him. Maybe some titties on TD wifey will kill me.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Tried emailing you with the address provided in post #21 but wouldn’t go through. Any updated email?

This has been covered a hundred times. He’s got a new email. It’s in his pastebin price list.

MESO added a handy “search” function to let dudes fine things on their own. Search “pastebin” in posts made by @SymBiotics.

There you go. Earning it yourself will make you feel better than if someone spoonfeeds you the answer!

 

[RANGERS30]

Yep got the info lol

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Yep got the info lol

See, easy. And now you have a sense of accomplishment and personal pride.

It’s the little things!

 

[Shivathedestroyer]

The test-C finished product in those tests is from the same supplier's raw material. I have some NPP raw that I never compounded because it looked different than my other NPP. It is one of the 22 samples I am preparing to send for analysis; along with some "Test-E" that is most likely not Test-E. They will probably go out on Monday if the rest of my Primo will ever show up.
No I got no COA from the supplier. I am convinced that this supplier's shipper ruined his business for him. I can imagine that there wasn't quite enough EQ to fill my order; and he just filled it with oil to reach the weight.
And yes, everything from the 3 new suppliers I used is being tested before release. Finished oils made from raw of my trusted supplier will be in this package for analysis as well. All the talk over the new Chinese law and prices, in my mind, opened the door for this kind of messiness.
This cost me some money for sure; but the time is what I can't get back. When I can't trust what I'm getting it takes a month out of product availability (2 weeks for testing and 2 weeks to get a new shipment).
Thankfully I ordered big from my other supplier at the same time. If they open back up to me after CNY; I don't believe I will mess with the domestic options again. I feel almost certain that I was burned by 2 of the 3 of them; and if my primo doesn't show up (it's been 10 days) it will be 3 of 3 domestic raw suppliers that have done bad business with me.
Live and learn I guess.

That’s a bummer but definitely appreciate the honesty. Given that almost all your current stock was brewed very recently with all new batches of Raws from what you had tested previously. How are we certain this hasn’t happened with another form of raw material that you recently brewed up? For instance I know the NPP Raws you used this batch are new Raws that came in recently, as well as tren ace and a few other compounds. Any insight on this topic would be greatly appreciated.

 

[bambam333]

Absolutely not. This was an effort (successful effort) to cheat me; no doubt about it.
I couldn't really tell a difference in the injections. It just seemed like normal EQ to me.
The sad part is that I have been using 200mg less than what I thought I was using this whole last week. So I will just start using my other EQ to limit the volume of injection.
It's just irritating to find out I wasted all that money, the time, the vials, autoclaving, etc, etc,etc.

I know you wouldn’t give up a supplier but if you ever don’t use that supplier again you should put it out there who it was so it protects the homebrewers on here as well so we don’t end up buying that bullshit or who knows maybe we already have been buying it and haven’t been as diligent as you with the testing

 

[T&H]

I know you wouldn’t give up a supplier but if you ever don’t use that supplier again you should put it out there who it was so it protects the homebrewers on here as well so we don’t end up buying that bullshit or who knows maybe we already have been buying it and haven’t been as diligent as you with the testing

Agreed. Its the right thing to do if raw suppliers are intentionally screwing buyers. I don't homebrew but a lot of people here do.

 

[ThyNoah]

I know you wouldn’t give up a supplier but if you ever don’t use that supplier again you should put it out there who it was so it protects the homebrewers on here as well so we don’t end up buying that bullshit or who knows maybe we already have been buying it and haven’t been as diligent as you with the testing

I would assume one of the suppliers was Dyna since he mentioned he was convinced the shipper ruined the business for him. Just speculating.
I’m sure many other members are curious to know what raw suppliers have conducted bad business with Sym, was it mainly Dyna? D.O.? Certainly not Panda right?
Tinfoil hats everyone

 

[bambam333]

I would assume one of the suppliers was Dyna since he mentioned he was convinced the shipper ruined the business for him. Just speculating.
I’m sure many other members are curious to know what raw suppliers have conducted bad business with Sym, was it mainly Dyna? D.O.? Certainly not Panda right?
Tinfoil hats everyone

well thing is We all know and use the same guys for the most part so if shit like this is happening it would be nice for it
To be brought to light right this is what makes meso different this kind of shit doesn’t get protected or swept under while they try to fix it

 

[Oldschool]

well thing is We all know and use the same guys for the most part so if shit like this is happening it would be nice for it
To be brought to light right this is what makes meso different this kind of shit doesn’t get protected or swept under while they try to fix it

 

[Villain]

I know you wouldn’t give up a supplier but if you ever don’t use that supplier again you should put it out there who it was so it protects the homebrewers on here as well so we don’t end up buying that bullshit or who knows maybe we already have been buying it and haven’t been as diligent as you with the testing

Maybe it’s me, but I have a strong suspicion of who tainted his EQ. He seems to have clued us in.