SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

Goodness you must be tired from all this! I got tired just reading about how much thought you have put into me :D.

I will try to satisfy your multiple concerns as a reply here:

I owned my filters for a different purpose. While these are excellent for removing microbiological contaminants from solutions to produce a sterile discharged product; my company's interests were focused on concentrating the microbes on the upstream side of the membrane for studying in the laboratory. You could filter many hundreds of liters of water per day before being able to retrieve an adequate amount of certain organisms from that water for study. There were times in which I had 10 simultaneous field sites sampling in the same day. It is more than I will explain here.
The "biodiesel" was not filtered to use in powering an internal combustion engine. My associate had a legitimate idea of creating a biocide to use in the biodiesel industry in my part of the country. Organisms grow particularly well in some places; and they grow in biodiesel much more readily than they do in petroleum based fuels. In other words: his need for the filtered oil seemed legitimate to me because of the general idea and because he collected the used membranes for "study" as well.
The oil was filtered into 1 liter GL45 threaded pyrex media bottles that I sterilized: exactly like the one in my picture filled with trenbolone acetate. I filtered countless liters of this oil.

About the amount and expense of my equipment: you have crossed into territory of speculation that matters not in my ability to produce the product I am advertising. But just for you: I actually had 10 of those filters- 3 of which I sold to my friend when we parted ways on the oil filtration. The way I came by them is akin to a farmer buying tractors and implements. They were tools of my trade; and therefore deductible and depreciable. The same goes for my autoclaves.

As far as "contradicting" myself: Would it make difference enough if the excerpt from my intro included the two words in red as below?

"I began (large scale) sterile filtration of hormones in oil a little over 4 years ago. I stumbled upon it by happenstance when a friend asked if he could pay me to filter large volumes of oil solutions for him. He said it was something to do with biodiesel research.”
If this was the problem that concerned you so; I apologize for the omission and for considering it negligible in importance.

As for my "brewing timeline": I did begin about 6 years ago; as previously stated with syringe filters and bottle top filters. If you will look at eh lower portion of my filter rack, you will see a manifold of white tubing. That is the vacuum system I use for small or test batches. To assume I did not filter my gear way back then is ludicrous; and the rigidity in which you place the context of my written language expression is quite excessive, but that's okay too.
The short story is I am exactly what I say I am; but I won't tell you who I am or how I got here. I realize that is unsettling; but the nature of this business mandates anonymity and, subsequently, a certain degree risk on the part of all involved.
Before you or anyone else asks again: no, I have not sourced before and I have not worked for another source before.
I studied and I studied hard; and that is the end of my story.

Again, I do appreciate your tenacity and dedication to this; but those portions of my story were completely accurate and without embellishment.
If I missed something, please let me know.
Sooooo... your company used the filters on/for water and you use them for oil? Is that what you’re saying?
 
I couldn't put pictures of my family on the label; so I included with the only other thing I can really be proud of.
Morals, ethics, and legalities are too tangled a web to discuss with any hope for an amicable end, and more so when faith and religion are compounded in the discussion; so I will just say it is part of who I am.
So is Jesus cool with your illegal venture?
 
An RX symbol on a steroid vial or ancillary/steroid capsule/pill doesn’t matter for us. For the source, at the end of the day regardless of “RX symbol” or not, they are still technically manufacturing counterfeit pharmaceuticals if they are selling viagra, cialis, clomid, and any other shit like that. If they get busted and our ass backwards legal system wants to throw on an extra charge because they see an RX symbol, oh well. It’s Their problem not ours.
 
I have to hand it to you, you’re excellent at obfuscating the shit you talk. We’re not supposed to take your cover story/ job so serious because it could just as well be misdirection of information as you suggest, but the only explanation you have for all this equipment is the cover story we’re not supposed to take so seriously.
 
I have to hand it to you, you’re excellent at obfuscating the shit you talk. We’re not supposed to take your cover story/ job so serious because it could just as well be misdirection of information as you suggest, but the only explanation you have for all this equipment is the cover story we’re not supposed to take so seriously.

Ob.fus.cate-
Verb

Render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible

I had to look it up. Excellent word choice.
 
Ob.fus.cate-
Verb

Render obscure, unclear, or unintelligible

I had to look it up. Excellent word choice.

Occupational hazard, I pick up on some strange words.

The guy may have a great setup and tested raws but no one can deny his stories are complete bullshit and he’s hiding something. Whether it’s the fact that he’s some shit lab rebranded or just some mad scientist turned drug dealer I don’t know. But looking back at sources like TGI and prissy they got similar shit coming in for their chosen setups, now member generally accept them. He’ll I encourage anyone to go look at WM and all he shit he got coming in, now he’s the go to tester.

Which reminds me, symbiotic, you have testing that didn’t come from WM, who/where did that testing come from?
 
Occupational hazard, I pick up on some strange words.

The guy may have a great setup and tested raws but no one can deny his stories are complete bullshit and he’s hiding something. Whether it’s the fact that he’s some shit lab rebranded or just some mad scientist turned drug dealer I don’t know. But looking back at sources like TGI and prissy they got similar shit coming in for their chosen setups, now member generally accept them. He’ll I encourage anyone to go look at WM and all he shit he got coming in, now he’s the go to tester.

Which reminds me, symbiotic, you have testing that didn’t come from WM, who/where did that testing come from?
Why would a shit lab rebrand into a non shit lab? Shit labs have shit set ups because they can’t afford proper equipment and even if they could, they wouldn’t care to. Shit labs also have shit labels and shit everything, but mainly they just have a shit amount of money invested in their operation. This guy spent more on testing, then most small time shit labs spend on equipment.

This is just in regards to his lab operation/equipment btw^.

I thought all his testing was from WM? It’s in the first page of the thread.
 
Why would a shit lab rebrand into a non shit lab? Shit labs have shit set ups because they can’t afford proper equipment and even if they could, they wouldn’t care to. Shit labs also have shit labels and shit everything, but mainly they just have a shit amount of money invested in their operation. This guy spent more on testing, then most small time shit labs spend on equipment.

This is just in regards to his lab operation/equipment btw^.

I thought all his testing was from WM? It’s in the first page of the thread.

I was going to make a similar post but you beat me to it. Symbiotic has put some effort into this. Most shit sources are set up to make money to feed an addiction. Those guys are scattered and all over the place and don’t want to post pics because it’s a fucking embarrassment.

This guy has posted a ton of pics because if anything he’s got equipment and a setup that’s TOO good. He’s been transparent and professional during this vetting process. A meth addict shit source would have gotten defensive by now.

Packs have landed so we know he’s sending stuff out. Now it’s just waiting on testing. Then hopefully continued testing by members. That’s why W&M is so incredibly valuable to MESO. It’s the random samples at any given time that keeps these guys’ feet to the fire. One bad sample and the pitchforks and torches come out and we burn this bitch down.
 
Occupational hazard, I pick up on some strange words.

The guy may have a great setup and tested raws but no one can deny his stories are complete bullshit and he’s hiding something. Whether it’s the fact that he’s some shit lab rebranded or just some mad scientist turned drug dealer I don’t know. But looking back at sources like TGI and prissy they got similar shit coming in for their chosen setups, now member generally accept them. He’ll I encourage anyone to go look at WM and all he shit he got coming in, now he’s the go to tester.

Which reminds me, symbiotic, you have testing that didn’t come from WM, who/where did that testing come from?
What specifically makes you think he's hiding something? He already said he wasn't dumb enough to reveal everything About his self, so some of his first post may not be 100% accurate.
 
Why would a shit lab rebrand into a non shit lab? Shit labs have shit set ups because they can’t afford proper equipment and even if they could, they wouldn’t care to. Shit labs also have shit labels and shit everything, but mainly they just have a shit amount of money invested in their operation. This guy spent more on testing, then most small time shit labs spend on equipment.

This is just in regards to his lab operation/equipment btw^.

I thought all his testing was from WM? It’s in the first page of the thread.

Look at other labs that had things like pill presses which couldn’t press them properly or even brew oil properly, that makes them shit. Doesn’t matter how the the equipment is if the person behind the scenes is incompetent or sketchy.

The results of the tests have different print outs. The early ones from November don’t have WM on them. WM came here 11/4 and symbiotic was having stuff tested 11/17? Just seems pretty strange symbiotic has had an account for 18 months before posting and jumped right on to testing with WM as soon as he showed up.

@Weights & Measures can you look at the test results from the first page and confirm they are yours, also that there are no reports missing.
 
What specifically makes you think he's hiding something? He already said he wasn't dumb enough to reveal everything About his self, so some of his first post may not be 100% accurate.

Because his story of how he happened across tens of thousands of dollars in equipment hinges on the story in his first post, which may not be 100% accurate. My point is he’s building misinformation on top of misinformation. Which is great, except it still leaves the question of how someone came up with all that money and equipment.

Something is just off about this guy.
 
I remember that comment but 7 filters and 2 autoclaves is huge, just the filters alone are 14-28k. Didn’t see the model of the mid mark autoclaves but that’s another 3-5k for a newish model used, 5-8k new.

So this guy just happens to have 20-40k+ worth of equipment laying around from some previous hobby, that also conveniently was able to be used for filtering “biodiesel”. That alone throws a bunch of red flags. I know all about biodiesel, use it and make it, and any commoner taking a step back would realize the ridiculousness as well.

For instance, some buddy needs “biodiesel” in random containers filtered but it’s always a liter or so at a time and you can’t mix any of these individual liters together? Even 20 compounds at 2liters each is 40 liters, a shit ton of containers. And only about 10 gallons. So this buddy came by with containers of “biodiesel” in quantities so small and so infrequent that it’s useless for a vehicle to run on, and none of the containers could be cross contaminated, and all had to be filtered separately? And ol boy did this for 4 years he said before “catching on?”

Again holes and red flags all in that story, if someone came by and said they need me to filter “biodiesel” but each container has to be done separate, with a separate filter and everything has to be sterile to .22 micron, and you need to filter it into this sterile container so I have sterile fuel the fuel going into my trucks fuel tank..... and no red flags seen by a 25 year scientist or whatever his cover story is?

We’ve already discussed the fact that certain details of his background could/would be made up to obfuscate his true identity, but details like this don’t confuse LE, they confuse the client(us). Again think about it, “Sterilizing biodiesel” in these tiny sterile containers in quantities that no vehicle could use. And he already had the equipment, so wtf did he have all this filtering equipment for when the biodiesel buddy stopped by?


Did you just made up that numer ? IF you didnt time to change supplier... fast.
I have similar filter 298mm pressure filter holder + p-pump+ 100filters cost me 800 usd, the pressure filer alone i get for 350-400usd .
Autocleave 25 l goes for 400-450 usd from the right supplier.

Also the powder mixer looks like the size of a vh-2 that goes for around 800usd

Please dont just look at your local resellers and yell out prices.

There is a magical place in the world for equipment like this.
 
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