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[Oldschool]

For me it's the bullshit stories not adding up and him contradicting himself. There's a "nice setup" for starter UGL and there's a straight professional setup that you don't source just anywhere and some stuff you don't quite just order online, and you especially don't go from home brewing to this like the guy claims.

Look at the TGI and prissy intros or any of the failed labs here recently, they had basic equipment for a basic startup. They didn't come in with $50K+ in equipment ready to brew 4L of oil at a time. That's a huge investment for someone who claims they've only brewed with syringe filters and personal use quantities while also saying they need to suss out the market before making investment into other products and stuff.

How many times have shit labs come back under a different name with something new and improved, hell venom actually had a pill press, doesn't mean they knew how to use it. So labs looking professional or having high end equipment doesn't mean they aren't a wolf in sheeps clothing.

 

[Joedaddy5150]

Did he send that syringe with the Diamond Cutter?

Yes he did

 

[TorroXL]

Why the witch hunt still? I’ve got samples going out Wednesday to Jano. Perhaps that might help being a deciding factor?

 

[SymBiotics]

Actually went back and looked at your filters and somethings not adding up. You’re using pressure membrane filters and they aren’t even close to cheap (although they are very effective.) last I looked those pressure membrane holders run 2-4K, and you’ve got 7? That’s a huge investment for home brew turned start up UGL.

You also mention that you’re brewing 4L at a time, again huge quantities for a start up.

Did I miss pictures of the V blender you say you’re using for capping orals?

 

[SymBiotics]

Is that a Jesus fish on the label?

Yes. Yes it is.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

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She's purdy. You got a little schmutz on your nuova II thingamajig. Hit it with some 409, it looks tacky.

 

[SymBiotics]

I remember that comment but 7 filters and 2 autoclaves is huge, just the filters alone are 14-28k. Didn’t see the model of the mid mark autoclaves but that’s another 3-5k for a newish model used, 5-8k new.

So this guy just happens to have 20-40k+ worth of equipment laying around from some previous hobby, that also conveniently was able to be used for filtering “biodiesel”. That alone throws a bunch of red flags. I know all about biodiesel, use it and make it, and any commoner taking a step back would realize the ridiculousness as well.

For instance, some buddy needs “biodiesel” in random containers filtered but it’s always a liter or so at a time and you can’t mix any of these individual liters together? Even 20 compounds at 2liters each is 40 liters, a shit ton of containers. And only about 10 gallons. So this buddy came by with containers of “biodiesel” in quantities so small and so infrequent that it’s useless for a vehicle to run on, and none of the containers could be cross contaminated, and all had to be filtered separately? And ol boy did this for 4 years he said before “catching on?”

Again holes and red flags all in that story, if someone came by and said they need me to filter “biodiesel” but each container has to be done separate, with a separate filter and everything has to be sterile to .22 micron, and you need to filter it into this sterile container so I have sterile fuel the fuel going into my trucks fuel tank..... and no red flags seen by a 25 year scientist or whatever his cover story is?

We’ve already discussed the fact that certain details of his background could/would be made up to obfuscate his true identity, but details like this don’t confuse LE, they confuse the client(us). Again think about it, “Sterilizing biodiesel” in these tiny sterile containers in quantities that no vehicle could use. And he already had the equipment, so wtf did he have all this filtering equipment for when the biodiesel buddy stopped by?

Goodness you must be tired from all this! I got tired just reading about how much thought you have put into me .

I will try to satisfy your multiple concerns as a reply here:

I owned my filters for a different purpose. While these are excellent for removing microbiological contaminants from solutions to produce a sterile discharged product; my company's interests were focused on concentrating the microbes on the upstream side of the membrane for studying in the laboratory. You could filter many hundreds of liters of water per day before being able to retrieve an adequate amount of certain organisms from that water for study. There were times in which I had 10 simultaneous field sites sampling in the same day. It is more than I will explain here.
The "biodiesel" was not filtered to use in powering an internal combustion engine. My associate had a legitimate idea of creating a biocide to use in the biodiesel industry in my part of the country. Organisms grow particularly well in some places; and they grow in biodiesel much more readily than they do in petroleum based fuels. In other words: his need for the filtered oil seemed legitimate to me because of the general idea and because he collected the used membranes for "study" as well.
The oil was filtered into 1 liter GL45 threaded pyrex media bottles that I sterilized: exactly like the one in my picture filled with trenbolone acetate. I filtered countless liters of this oil.

About the amount and expense of my equipment: you have crossed into territory of speculation that matters not in my ability to produce the product I am advertising. But just for you: I actually had 10 of those filters- 3 of which I sold to my friend when we parted ways on the oil filtration. The way I came by them is akin to a farmer buying tractors and implements. They were tools of my trade; and therefore deductible and depreciable. The same goes for my autoclaves.

As far as "contradicting" myself: Would it make difference enough if the excerpt from my intro included the two words in red as below?

"I began (large scale) sterile filtration of hormones in oil a little over 4 years ago. I stumbled upon it by happenstance when a friend asked if he could pay me to filter large volumes of oil solutions for him. He said it was something to do with biodiesel research.”
If this was the problem that concerned you so; I apologize for the omission and for considering it negligible in importance.

As for my "brewing timeline": I did begin about 6 years ago; as previously stated with syringe filters and bottle top filters. If you will look at eh lower portion of my filter rack, you will see a manifold of white tubing. That is the vacuum system I use for small or test batches. To assume I did not filter my gear way back then is ludicrous; and the rigidity in which you place the context of my written language expression is quite excessive, but that's okay too.
The short story is I am exactly what I say I am; but I won't tell you who I am or how I got here. I realize that is unsettling; but the nature of this business mandates anonymity and, subsequently, a certain degree risk on the part of all involved.
Before you or anyone else asks again: no, I have not sourced before and I have not worked for another source before.
I studied and I studied hard; and that is the end of my story.

Again, I do appreciate your tenacity and dedication to this; but those portions of my story were completely accurate and without embellishment.
If I missed something, please let me know.

 

[SymBiotics]

She's purdy. You got a little schmutz on your nuova II thingamajig. Hit it with some 409, it looks tacky.

That piece of equipment has been an absolute workhorse. it's hard to get rid of something you develop a relationship with over time I suppose.

 

[SymBiotics]

RX implies it’s pharmaceutical just another reason for the feds to take interest since it’s not pharmaceutical. We made another lab change it’s labels because of it a few months ago I forgot what label

Actually, I believe the words "for IM injection", "testosterone", "oral suspension", USP, etc. are equally suggestive of pharmaceutical contents. The compounding suspension is an actual USP product. Should I lie, exclude it from the label, or just accept that the containers are illegal because of the contents rather than the label. Human or veterinary pharmaceuticals: either way they are still illegal for a guy to make at home.

 

[SymBiotics]

His tree hugging ass is probably tired and In bed with them 34Ds. (That he's still to much of a insecure bitch to share) Must be exhausting saving the world's environment from us polluting bastards

This made my day!

 

[SymBiotics]

We couldn't have scared him off that easily. Where's he at for his nightly check-in?

No sir! I've been looking forward to logging in.
It was a long day at work and busy evening at home.

 

[SymBiotics]

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[SymBiotics]

Did he send that syringe with the Diamond Cutter?

Sorry, I forgot this in my intro. Thank you for posing this question.

Yes, every oral suspension will include a 3ml oral dispensing syringe. Regular luer or luer lock syringes won't fit the adapter; so I will send a syringe with every bottle.
The neatest thing about those bottles is that they won't leak even if you turn them over.

 

[SymBiotics]

I prefer my gears to be nondenominational non-binary and nondiscrimatory. I refuse to be defined by my gear.

I’m just fucking around. But I would like to know the why behind the fish on the label.

I couldn't put pictures of my family on the label; so I included with the only other thing I can really be proud of.
Morals, ethics, and legalities are too tangled a web to discuss with any hope for an amicable end, and more so when faith and religion are compounded in the discussion; so I will just say it is part of who I am.

 

[SymBiotics]

Goodnight everyone. I hope to chat again in less than 24.

 

[TestiCult]

@SymBiotics you should have called your company “Relijuice”.

Thaaats fuggin great Puck... Love it..

 

[Masterofron]

Well in that case since I haven’t welcomed @Masterofron . WELCOME BACK to the fiasco

Thank you! I don’t always have the time to be on here, but hopefully one of y’all, or at least @Kim can tag me when some fun stuff is happening.

 

[Dead]

So we have a real scientist ugl now. I feel spoiled

I just hope u have the distribution part figured out just as well

 

[Tinytim]

Help me understand. If feds open your package and find a vial of testosterone, does it matter if it says prescription or not? Because I would think you're screwed either way.

Its kinda like getting busted with moonshine. They get you for possesion or manufacture of a. Controlled substance and or imatation. Dont get caught, if you do you will draw less charges with Pharma. If they want you, they are going to get you,trumped up charges are a given, they throw everything at you and see whst sticks, after investigating and collecting evidence for 6 months

 

[Tinytim]

Goodnight everyone. I hope to chat again in less than 24.

Ichtyologist? Or just a salmon counting biologist in the Pacific Northwest? Alot of methodical thought and care has gone into your setup, detailed toward safety of both us and you. Im glad you didnt use "lab" in your name, though seems like your one of the few that actualy have one. Stick around.