Yeah it seems from his response that things will be made right. I will check my vials as soon as I return home. I will check either way but I am curious if he feels it was primarily MCT Products or GSO was potentially affected as well.
While ideally it will happen extremely infrequently, I do put stock in how a source handles issues when they do arise, so it is good to see a prompt explanation and resolution.
Don't have to deal with some ASF BS around here LOL.
I haven't completed examining nearly 1/10th of them but I haven't found anything in 634 NPP vials. That is what I picked out to inspect first.
From which batch of vials were they from?month?
@SymBiotics I got some test-e like March ,April...anyone know?
These should have been made after that time.
I'm glad sym is making things right after his first slip with floaters.
However, if he now recalls seeing a issue with possible fibers, shouldn't he be even more careful to inspect his vials before shipping? He said it was months ago he bought the problem sheets but this doesn't excuse letting these, and probably more ship out. I personally expect a few more people to find floaters now as 2 or 3 have surfaced so far.
This brings back memories of gemstone and more recently greyscale, who was crucified over it. Everyone is going to feel differently and sym has had zero foreign object issues till now but I don't want to order from someone wondering if something other than oil is in my vials.
I understand this and I would imagine an entire tray of vials could have had inclusions. The problem is that I do not know anything for sure. I can't put my hands on the vial in the picture to examine it and I can't see the other things that are reported.
Damn it
@SymBiotics!!!
Floaters are just about the kiss of death. What’s the point of properly doses gear if it’s got foreign matter in it?
There are a couple things here that are concerning in your admission of wrongdoing. For one, why have a flow hood if the fucking autoclave trays don’t fit inside. It’s not exactly a flow hood then is it? You got too big and can’t handle the demand so you’ve been cutting corners filling vials outside of the flow hood for how long now? Tsk tsk
Then, you notice inferior wrappings. You pull that one out and notice lint-like shit gets dispersed. You tossed a few trays as a precaution but you didn’t toss ALL. That’s another shortcut. All of this because you got too big and couldn’t keep up.
We warned you of that back in your intro and vetting process. We tell every source that comes here that if they do things the correct way they will be overwhelmingly busy. And look what happened.
You had an out less than two weeks ago too. The “return to shipper” pack should have sent you private. But you’re not doing gods work here, friend, you’re raking in the bitcoins. That announcement of maybe going private of maybe taking only XMR sent demand skyrocketing. One final BIG haul and then you promised yourself you’d take it easy. How’d that go?
Sources are good until they go bad. You fucked up and cut corners. That’s how it usually goes. Now this was floaters in vials. But imagine if you cut corners on your drops. Hit the close ones a couple too many times. You could have been facing something worse for you than dirty gear.
This is over and done with. Read the Sasquatch thread. They found floaters, shut-down, refiltered everything and came back to hang on for a couple more months before disappearing permanently.
Make everyone whole and think about your next move. You could go out honest and free or you could continue on, make a couple costly mistakes and lose a lot more than you are prepared to lose.
No, discarding the stack of trays was absolutely not a shortcut. I removed what I considered an ample margin. When a person gets operable cancer, the surgeon cuts out a margin of the defective tissue. He doesn't kill the patient.
Also, my autoclave trays do fit the hood. Just the boxes of vials AND the autoclave trays won't fit at the same time.
Regarding going private and XMR only: I actually have the whole thing typed in Word and ready to post. I planned to do so this weekend; but it seems less important now.
What you are suggesting is greed and being overwhelmed. I am neither. I have actually not been very busy at all lately; and not being able to go to my real job has afforded me ample time to do this. I just didn't see the contaminants. I have no other explanation.
Sym bitotics I know you gave this your all. It’s tough for one man to do all this shit especially with one hand as you had to do in the past months. While dirty gear is unacceptable I know good and well you gave everything you have into the quality of your products. That has been your reputation from the start of your journey. I put more faith in you as a source than anyone else still. This is a sign that you need to look for someone to help you brew. You are just overwhelmed man. I know you work diligently and care about our safety. I suggest taking a break and looking for someone to help you brew gear.
This is not a mistake from overwork. I have ample time lately. I simply failed at seeing the contaminants before packaging the vials.
Hes all excuses bro. You've been on here long enough to know this is how it always kicks off. Ive seen good sources on here kick rocks for less...He can either bow out with some dignity or carry on like you said. Apparently his fan club has zero issues with contaminated vials. Odd....
I have made no excuses.
What do you mean Symptoms has one hand?
I am in a shoulder immobilizer for a bit longer.
Never ordered a thing from the man. I have private sources I order from who inspect everything before they send it out. Don’t get me wrong - he did great with testing, professionalism, customer service and everything else but the man should have bowed out for a time to recoup but he didn’t. And it’s not because of US that he stuck around. To quote the man himself:
“In Summary
Please buy illegal drugs from me. They are really well made, they will help you reach your performance goals; and I need the money.”
I did take time off to recover. I have not compounded anything since the first week of June.
Dude. They all lie. You think he was 100% honest throughout?
He’s a biologist that spends a lot of time out in a boat
His wife is a pharmacist
He’s in his 50s
He’s got a teenage daughter that has a friend that wants to fuck him
A tree fell on his house
He has a remote lab built on property that’s out of the way
He had surgery
If he’s honest, you can see the digital map with the alphabet guys honing in on him right now in the movie.
OR he tells some stories to throw those alphabet guys off his track.
Which do you think is more likely? Which would you do?
Most of this is actually true.
I absolutely love the fish (symbol for jesus) on the bottle in the pic with the floater lol. To me it says "I absolutely love and worship Jesus" "but you, not so much" "I just love your money".
I have to ask here
@SymBiotics do you tithe the proceeds you make off this illegal business or do you just ignore the fact the Jesus sees every dime you're making and the fact that the offering plate is missing that grand a week when you pass it along??
This has been discussed more than once.
Yes, I do tithe with this money without fail; and it is more than 10%.
All in all folks: I made a mistake----actually multiple mistakes, it appears. Each vial that left my hands was handled by me many times. I sterilize them, fill them, stopper them, crimp them, label them and ship them. I call myself looking for contaminants at each point in which I can visualize the contents.
I don't know if I was sleepy or my eyes are getting bad or if it was inattentive blindness; but I have and do continue to assume the entire responsibility for any flaw in my products.
If this can't be rectified; then so be it. I will understand.
But, to completely execute a person who has the intention to correct a mistake while assuming all responsibility----that seems as if mistakes can't be made and perfection is the only way to remain here.
I never promised perfection but rather the antithesis of it; and you all said that the way mistakes were handled was more important than flawless delivery. Was this incorrectly stated?
I do not want to ever be anywhere I am not welcome. That is a disgusting feeling; and I want no part of it. If I am asked to leave this forum by objective members; I will gladly never post again.
In the event that this is my last post here:
I have greatly enjoyed these last few months here and I hope that some people have found benefit from using my products.
I am greatly appreciative of the opportunity to serve you. I truly apologize for any and all errors I have made.
. TRUST
