SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

[janoshik]

Found a Corona bat in my vial. Still g2g?
i don't care. Still gonna pin it anyway.

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i'm content with that one. Not haha funny, but it made me grin. Good enough for a Sunday.

Good luck to the hangers on. Hope Sym can turn lemons into lemonade for you all.

Is that a soup condiment?

 

[amtont]

It’s fucking awful timing too @SymBiotics. We have a lot of new to MESO guys that got tired of the shit that was going on at ASF. So they joined here because they like the “lab-tested gear” approach. Now we’re showing that we have issues here as well.

You need to take the day today and/or tomorrow to come up with a kick-ass proposal for this. More than just “whoopsie” I don’t know how this happened here’s replacements. You need upgraded protocol to ensure this never ever happens. You’re smart. Spend some time figuring this out. This is your most important moment. Come back with something real good and the community can decide whether you’re a viable source or not. Money talks. If your sales dry up moving forward then you got your answer.

I think the most frustrating thing here is that Sym was a good source who had done everything asked of him. How many sources never get off the ground because they come in unprepared? How many get going but within a few months are dead in the water because they keep fucking up? This guy did all the testing that the community asked for. He incentivized users to test. He shipped fast. He answered questions. For a lot of us he was the go-to source because we could trust that what we were buying was what we wanted. A mistake like this is such a gut punch precisely because it seemed as though this was a reliable source who was meeting this community’s standards of harm reduction. It’s like discovering your favorite restaurant just failed their health inspection. One part wants to forgive them and the other part is furious because they put your health at risk. I don’t know if I’ll ever order from him again, but I wouldn’t begrudge someone else for walking away OR for giving him a second chance. We each have to make our own choices, and at the end of the day it’s on each member to decide what they’re willing to tolerate. So @SymBiotics you should stick around, update everyone as to what you’re doing, and keep to your word about making this right. If after that point you decide to keep selling then expect members to be on your ass constantly and assume that you’re working from a deficit. Remember, some of us here like you, but you’re a source and the members—even the ones that we don’t like all that much—come first.

I was totally intending to use his services in the future which is why I started snooping around this thread. The amount of floaters he sent out is astounding. In my opinion there is no coming back from this. My eyes were tired is no excuse for the sheer quantity of floaters found. Like eyesight aside where the fuck were you storing your vials for that much shit to get in them, let alone what looks like a insect leg?? This is a total lack of sterility through and through. Inspection alone doesnt cut it for me cause how did that much crap make it in the vials in the first place is where I'm stuck at.

This shit would scare the ever living fuck out of me.
Just saying.

To all the people instantly forgiving Sym... what the fuck.

At least make the guy come up with a proposal.
At least make him do SOMETHING.

If I want a blowjob from my wife, I better buy her flowers.
This guy is just dropping his pants without even cooking dinner
Fuck me, saying "I'll do better next time"
Is not a solution, if HE had found the contamination and warned Meso, sure I get it.
But he didn't.

This speaks to qaulity control and sanitation.
If this got missed, what else got missed?
This was a lot of contamination boys.

Hold your source to a higher standard gentlemen.

For those who have been in the game longer than I have I would be interested and really appreciate your opinions.


When you describe lack of sterility are you saying that vials from the same time frame that do not have floaters could still be potentially contaminated or more likely to cause infection upon injection? This is a serious issue for me as I am on multiple immune suppressants for Crohn’s Disease so I view sterility as the utmost importance. That was one of the reasons I initially chose to go with Sym as a source. I have a number of orders from within the same time frame, however I have yet to have a chance to inspect them as I am currently away. Would certainly appreciate the opinion of yourself and other vets.


As someone who respects the work that you do in vetting sources I am interested in your thoughts in terms of how Sym should go about correcting this or ensuring that it never happens again

1. When you say “kick ass proposal” are you implying that he should refund those who had floaters, those who ordered within that timeframe etc.

2. What type of protocol changes would ensure that this never happens again?


Obviously you won’t be spoonfeeding answers. I am just curious as to what “standard procedures” are. I have never had this problem arise with a source I have ordered from as I typically spend a lot of time researching and reading reviews before ordering.


For the reasons, I stated earlier sterility is of the utmost importance to me, as it should be with every customer.


Appreciate the insight.


Thanks!

 

[B Ware]

Hey jackass, I don't know what's crawled up your ass and died lately but your attitude has went to shit. You've went from vetting sources to also attacking members which you didn't used to do. I get you have a little fanboi club in this thread, looks like its going to your head a little bit too much.

Sounds familiar. Cough...Cdnguy

 

[Johnny250]

SymBiotics, if you figure out batch numbers or a time range for this contamination let us know. I hope you make all impacted clients whole, and I believe you will.

On another note, you have been a flawless supplier until this incident. Like most, I can forgive. But, contamination is serious and can NEVER happen again. Good day sir.

 

[justanoob]

For those who have been in the game longer than I have I would be interested and really appreciate your opinions.


When you describe lack of sterility are you saying that vials from the same time frame that do not have floaters could still be potentially contaminated or more likely to cause infection upon injection? This is a serious issue for me as I am on multiple immune suppressants for Crohn’s Disease so I view sterility as the utmost importance. That was one of the reasons I initially chose to go with Sym as a source. I have a number of orders from within the same time frame, however I have yet to have a chance to inspect them as I am currently away. Would certainly appreciate the opinion of yourself and other vets.


As someone who respects the work that you do in vetting sources I am interested in your thoughts in terms of how Sym should go about correcting this or ensuring that it never happens again

1. When you say “kick ass proposal” are you implying that he should refund those who had floaters, those who ordered within that timeframe etc.

2. What type of protocol changes would ensure that this never happens again?


Obviously you won’t be spoonfeeding answers. I am just curious as to what “standard procedures” are.


For the reasons, I stated earlier sterility is of the utmost importance to me, as it should be with every customer.


Appreciate the insight.


Thanks!

I’m also interested on every bodies opinion with the vials that don’t have any visible floaters.

 

[lifter6973]

So that’s it? You just don’t like the way I talk to @Connor 25257 or that @Dianabol Dick Duster guy?

Fixed

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Sounds familiar. Cough...Cdnguy

I obviously didn’t intend it that way. I’m sitting in front of it on a day to day basis. Read @Dianabol Skull Duster posts. Does he even seem like a real guy? Or a troll?

I guess I need to take a step back for perspective then. I don’t want to be a dick to everyone here. I didn’t even realize I was doing that. TGI thread everyone hammered balco, there’s the same kind of guys here.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

I’m also interested on every bodies opinion with the vials that don’t have any visible floaters.

That's good question. To the dude with crohn's, I'd probably scrap the gear and look to be reimbursed. Now someone without serious health problems? Hmm, does one filter or toss, that depends on the individual. If I was using it for Trt and was absolutely dependent on some of it I would filter what I needed to get by and toss the rest and order from someone else while looking to sym for reimbursement. And when replacement gear arrived that I was sure of, I'd toss what little remained of the insectostan aka legbolone.

 

[B Ware]

I obviously didn’t intend it that way. I’m sitting in front of it on a day to day basis. Read @Dianabol Skull Duster posts. Does he even seem like a real guy? Or a troll?

I guess I need to take a step back for perspective then. I don’t want to be a dick to everyone here. I didn’t even realize I was doing that. TGI thread everyone hammered balco, there’s the same kind of guys here.

Man I’m the same way. I had to start hitting that “unwatch thread” button a while back so I didn’t jump on every comment.

As of late this thread has gotten ridiculous. Noobs definitely need to be told to “read/research” but things have gotten carried away. It may take you reading 10 pages of bickering to find a review.

 

[cochino]

I just want everyone to know that I'm a flaming honosexual and I only use the gear for anal feelz. I dream about Cochino's manjuice.

it's okay bruh but no need to call us out here.

 

[JC Grifter]

I went and checked all my stuff from Sym even though I ordered a few months ago. I found one vial with something in it (probably from March or April). Although I’m a little unsure if it’s a floater or maybe something stuck to the back of the label. Syms labels are not possible to just peel back and check. Any thoughts?

 

[amtont]

That's good question. To the dude with crohn's, I'd probably scrap the gear and look to be reimbursed. Now someone without serious health problems? Hmm, does one filter or toss, that depends on the individual. If I was using it for Trt and was absolutely dependent on some of it I would filter what I needed to get by and toss the rest and order from someone else while looking to sym for reimbursement. And when replacement gear arrived that I was sure of, I'd toss what little remained of the insectostan aka legbolone.

Wow. Ok thanks for your reply. I may have to think this through. Hopefully Sym will comment on the timeframe in which this occurred as @Johnny250 mentioned. It was not a small order to say the least and depending on the timeframe it could be multiple fairly large orders. Was stocking up before switch to Monero.

Would definitely appreciate others chiming in with their thoughts as well. I will admit it is a major personality flaw but I tend to be very forgiving and easy going. I would almost feel bad asking for reimbursement, but I know with health you cant take risks.

I have never had any problems with Sym in multiple orders so I need to give it some thought.

This shit its kind of creeping me out though.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

For those who have been in the game longer than I have I would be interested and really appreciate your opinions.


When you describe lack of sterility are you saying that vials from the same time frame that do not have floaters could still be potentially contaminated or more likely to cause infection upon injection? This is a serious issue for me as I am on multiple immune suppressants for Crohn’s Disease so I view sterility as the utmost importance. That was one of the reasons I initially chose to go with Sym as a source. I have a number of orders from within the same time frame, however I have yet to have a chance to inspect them as I am currently away. Would certainly appreciate the opinion of yourself and other vets.


As someone who respects the work that you do in vetting sources I am interested in your thoughts in terms of how Sym should go about correcting this or ensuring that it never happens again

1. When you say “kick ass proposal” are you implying that he should refund those who had floaters, those who ordered within that timeframe etc.

2. What type of protocol changes would ensure that this never happens again?


Obviously you won’t be spoonfeeding answers. I am just curious as to what “standard procedures” are. I have never had this problem arise with a source I have ordered from as I typically spend a lot of time researching and reading reviews before ordering.


For the reasons, I stated earlier sterility is of the utmost importance to me, as it should be with every customer.


Appreciate the insight.


Thanks!

Sorry to hear about the immuno suppression
Stay safe.

Just quite simply, from my experience, qaulity control issues (Wether it be in a kitchen, a construction site or a UGL) are systemic.

A one time mistake is just something i do not believe.

If it happens once, it can happened again.

Let me also post a disclaimer, I am NOT a brewer.... but I am VERY VERY VERY experienced when it comes to cleanliness and infectious/contamination control.
But I've been around the block a few times.
I've seen UGLS start to make a mistake, then it gets worse until they're DONE and brewing shit gear.

It's also my job,
Without revealing too much, I deal with micron sized contaminants... where people who are in similar situations as you, could die... just by breathing.

When there is a problem... its 9/10 methodology, not a one off mistake.
Not to say that those do not happened.. but it's just the norm.

I think a brewer is far more qualified to come up with specific qaulity control steps for the brewing/capping process.

All I'm trying to contribute to the situation is that SOMETHING should be done...

And I understand people love Sym...
But that doesnt mean that this wont happened again.

And God fucking forbid someone like you gets hurt (or worse)

Thanks for sharing, it puts shit in perspective.
Its NOT just a mistake... it's a problem that could kill someone in your situation.

Hopefully membership here can really come to terms with that reality and take this seriously.

Which is why @BigBaldBeardGuy is so fucking angry right now.... which is pretty out of character

 

[Mdrock98]

View attachment 133169 I went and checked all my stuff from Sym even though I ordered a few months ago. I found one vial with something in it (probably from March or April). Although I’m a little unsure if it’s a floater or maybe something stuck to the back of the label. Syms labels are not possible to just peel back and check. Any thoughts?

Same thing with me. I believe it’s a label issue bro. Shake it. If it moves it’s a floater. I shook mine that was the exact same thing. Didn’t move.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

This is my last post in this one. Syms dead to me after this. My wife even weighed all the facts and cannot understand how anyone can forgive someone of such a egregious mistake.

Anyone who thinks guys like me are overreacting need to go and dig through some old threads on here and see what had happened to past members who injected contaminated bullshit like this. Whole chunks of ass cheeks cut out never to be returned, do you want a spoon ass?? I know I dont. One guy lost a large chunk of his quad muscle and luves with the deformity now. A couple guys have been hospitalized and one severely for a few weeks if I recall correctly. So yeah this is unforgivable and if anyone new shows up later and gets royally fucked up by injecting his shit it's on yalls heads who forgave this motherfucker and allowed him to get away with this one!

 

[DrinkFlintWater]

Is that a soup condiment?

You'd still test at 99% pure and free of contaminants

 

[gebirah]

When you describe lack of sterility are you saying that vials from the same time frame that do not have floaters could still be potentially contaminated or more likely to cause infection upon injection?

given that people are finding several different contaminants, not just one specific thing across multiple vials, i’d be hesitant to touch any of it. he stated that corners were cut due to the volume being produced and acknowledged “some processes may not have been sterile enough”
it is a loss and you should be refunded. psychologically, a replacement is going to feel like a freebie. having the money back in your wallet and having to make the conscious decision to order again is important

 

[JC Grifter]

Sorry to hear about the immuno suppression
Stay safe.

Just quite simply, from my experience, qaulity control issues (Wether it be in a kitchen, a construction site or a UGL) are systemic.

A one time mistake is just something i do not believe.

If it happens once, it can happened again.

Let me also post a disclaimer, I am NOT a brewer.... but I am VERY VERY VERY experienced when it comes to cleanliness and infectious/contamination control.
But I've been around the block a few times.
I've seen UGLS start to make a mistake, then it gets worse until they're DONE and brewing shit gear.

It's also my job,
Without revealing too much, I deal with micron sized contaminants... where people who are in similar situations as you, could die... just by breathing.

When there is a problem... its 9/10 methodology, not a one off mistake.
Not to say that those do not happened.. but it's just the norm.

I think a brewer is far more qualified to come up with specific qaulity control steps for the brewing/capping process.

All I'm trying to contribute to the situation is that SOMETHING should be done...

And I understand people love Sym...
But that doesnt mean that this wont happened again.

And God fucking forbid someone like you gets hurt (or worse)

Thanks for sharing, it puts shit in perspective.
Its NOT just a mistake... it's a problem that could kill someone in your situation.

Hopefully membership here can really come to terms with that reality and take this seriously.

Which is why @BigBaldBeardGuy is so fucking angry right now.... which is pretty out of character

Well said

 

[DrinkFlintWater]

View attachment 133169 I went and checked all my stuff from Sym even though I ordered a few months ago. I found one vial with something in it (probably from March or April). Although I’m a little unsure if it’s a floater or maybe something stuck to the back of the label. Syms labels are not possible to just peel back and check. Any thoughts?

Draw it out and see if it moves?

 

[Mdrock98]

Well said

Completely agree. I spent too much money on sym. [emoji2357]. I consider myself beat. I’ll use my gear that looks crisp.