SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

[S317]

I am not sure if you understand what is going on. A rare opportunity to purchase gear and filter it yourself! And best part is, you are paying full price still!!!

@Iron Vett

His next resolution will be to send out filters instead of replace the oils

 

[iceman440]

Guess Sym really isn’t the Chick fil a of ugls

He is more of the krystals. You look at the menu. Man, 44 sliders for 13$?!! What a steal

Get home and find a bandaid (don’t worry it’s sterile) and at the end of the day you always go “meh, good enough” as you wipe and go on

@Skorecese

 

[iceman440]

His next resolution will be to send out filters instead of replace the oils

Bro, unlike this thread that is fucking gold

he can start a build a roids shop. Send everything out to make 1 finished vial

 

[Test_Subject]

It's fucking amateur hour in here.

This is how you set up a proper lab that's worthy of the dark net. Note the anal beads and fan set to blow shit all over the place. They're a crucial to the process.

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[cochino]

It's fucking amateur hour in here.

This is how you set up a proper lab that's worthy of the dark net. Note the anal beads and fan set to blow shit all over the place. They're a crucial to the process.

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Canadian bacon. Good times.

 

[T&H]

Yeah it’s a fantastic deal if you are Helen Keller!

Ahem*

This is a story all about how
Sym is gonna skip town
I’d like to take a minute, just sit right there
And I’ll tell you how Sym became king of brewing dirty gear

@Tiredandhot

Meme war?

 

[penche]

It's fucking amateur hour in here.

This is how you set up a proper lab that's worthy of the dark net. Note the anal beads and fan set to blow shit all over the place. They're a crucial to the process.

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that weak ass pump in those pics lmao. Makes me wanna cry. 0/10 will poop on that equipment pictured

 

[Gbro]

Does anybody smell that stink in here? It's like getting in an elevator that a damn dirty hobo slept in.

 

[Slates15]

Inspected all unopened vials and found a short puble looking thing. It definitely took a while to find. It was in test cyp gso. Lot# tc006g

 

[stevonov]

I have been thoroughly entertained reading the past 10 pages or so. Wife caught me giggling like a 10 year old on the back porch. Connor goes from 1/2, to full, and back to 1/2 retard in 1 page, Dianabol dick duster has a keyboard warrior meltdown moment, and the usual suspects chime in with pure gold. I would have paid money for all this!

i would have rather not sifted through ten pages of crap to get three relavent posts but we all have different amounts of free time i suppose

 

[Dthcore]

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How did you catch it? Like what made you start to notice something was off?

 

[Villain]

Inspected all unopened vials and found a short puble looking thing. It definitely took a while to find. It was in test cyp gso. Lot# tc006g

Is that fiber in the vial or is it stuck to the label? Does it move with the oil or stay stationary?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Is that fiber in the vial or is it stuck to the label? Does it move with the oil or stay stationary?

I don’t think that matters now. I’d be really surprised if Sym comes back at this point.

Guys are likely on their own.

 

[jbil75]

S317, I am very sorry to hear your story. I am really sorry that happened to you. It could have happened to me, it could have happened to BigBaldBeardGuy, it could have happened to Millard, it could have happened to anyone of us here on this board. It is a risk I have taken for all these years I have been sticking myself. It is a risk every one of us takes every time we stick ourselves. I have been really blessed to stick myself thousands of times over the last almost 20 years and never have to be hospitalized with a sterile or non-sterile abscess. But yeah, my luck could run out tomorrow and the next time I log into Meso, I could be logging in from the hospital myself. I have been blessed with good fortune, I hope my good fortune continues !! I hope I do not draw the short end of the stick like you !! I am sorry buddy that happened to you.

Good friend of mine back in 2011 had a very similar situation to yours happen to him. He bought gear from a source off of outlawmuscle. It turns out the gear he bought was dirty. He does quad shots. Injected into his left vastus lateralis just as he always does. His Left leg started to swell up with a tremendous amount of edema and continued to swell over the course of about 3 weeks. He and I lived in different cities at that time, so I did not even know what he was going through or experiencing. He told me by about day 17 of the tremendous edema, his left thigh was so edematous, that he could not even flex his left leg at the knee by more than about 10 to 15 degrees. He said his left leg would simply not even flex more than about 10-15 degrees due to the unbelievable amount of edema in his left thigh. So basically, when he walked, he had to walk almost stiff-legged in his left leg as he could only bend that leg a tiny tiny bit from the tremendous swelling.

When he went to the hospital, to make a long story short, the General Surgeon who preformed the surgery to drain his abscess (as it turns out, his abscess was not a sterile abscess, but rather an MRSA positive abscess - after the surgery he was placed on IV Vancomycin and Zosyn (Tazobactam / Piperacillin) - (2) of the strongest antibiotics known to man due to the potentially deadly nature of a MRSA positive infection (Thank God it was not MVRSA (Vancomycin resistant MRSA) or he would have been in deep deep trouble !! He might have died. ) Anyways, the General Surgeon said it was the largest abscess he had ever drained in his 25 years of being a General Surgeon. The surgeon drained (1.3) Liters of infection from his leg ! (1.3) Liters !! He told me the General Surgeon said it was just unbelievable the size of the abscess, and said his leg might have actually exploded due to the huge pressure buildup from the tremendous amount of edema in his thigh.

As it turns out, my buddy had to have a large chunk of his left vastus lateralis and left rectus femoris removed in order for the surgeon to be able to get to the asbcess which was very very deep in his thigh and drain it completely. So he is missing a huge chunk of his vastus lateralis and rectus femoris in his left thigh.

My friend's right leg is perfect, looks normal. His left leg - is badly deformed. But luckily he has 100% function in it and lost, amazingly, no strength in it !! It is so weird, when he squats and leg presses, somehow his body has compensated and even though his right quad is much bigger than his left quad, his left quad is just as strong as his right quad. It is the weirdest thing !! I would have expected for his right quad to be much stronger than his left quad ?? But no not at all, even after the surgery and even after him now missing perhaps 25% of his left quad, AMAZINGLY, somehow his body has compensated and his left leg is 100% as strong as his right leg !! So even though his left leg, aesthetically, was damaged - functionally his left leg is 100% perfect. It is so weird man, he and I laugh about it. He has a really fucked up looking left leg, but a very very strong and powerful left leg. It's so weird !!

The human body is pretty amazing at how it can compensate when it is absolutely forced to compensate. I have always been amazed at the human body. Kind of like when a person loses his sight........his body compensates by having the sense of hearing become much more keen to compensate for that loss of sight !!

Anyways, my buddy's gear turned out to be dirty, as there were about 5 or 6 other members of outlawmuscle who ended up just like my friend - hospitalized with abscesses.

Symbiotic's attitude to being called out for selling dirty gear is just unbelievable. His attitude is so cavalier and callous - I would love to punch Symbiotic in the face as hard as I could. Hitting Symb in the face as hard as I could would make me feel better about what happened to my good friend.

Symb simply does not even give a shit that he is selling dirty gear. The guy just does not even care.

But oh well, Symb is a "devout Christian", so that justifies his terrible behavior, right ? As long as Symb is a "Christian", then everything is good, right? (Face Palm)

Is your friend still pinning UGL gear?

 

[SymBiotics]

Havnt read past this yet.
But I was thinking the same thing.
It has to be foreign contamination.
I dont understand how stopper particulates or rust/iron/steel could play a role here.

I'll say this, just because an area LOOKS clean, doesnt mean it IS clean.
(Take an air sample and put in under a microscope... shit is like a horror story)

I also dont buy "Sterile chunks"
The basic reality is that your body will eat away and try to dispose of any foreign objects in your body, once your bodies defense mechanisms get past the exterior layer of said foreign object.... who's to say what happens.

I'm pretty confident in saying that this is an environmental/facility based issue.

Good catch.

I believe that you are correct as well.
I thought I had conveyed this suspicion as a possibility in my posts; but I am realizing that my words are not always interpreted as the thoughts that precede them.
Yes, I do use a laminar flow hood for filling the vials.
I did not use it for transferring the vials from the bulk boxes to my autoclave trays. I am certain that I said this in an earlier post.

 

[SymBiotics]

Hello everyone.
I have finished opening and replying to all emails except new order messages.

I have decided that I will discard my injectable products and begin anew with the presterilized vials. No discount. No pre-finished status. Just starting over. I will keep a stockpile for myself; but I don't expect to sell seconds.
It has taken me some time to get outside the situation and view this in the 3rd person; and I honestly don't want to be known as a secondhand store. The thought of that is nauseating really; so I apologize for the suggestion. It was a lapse in judgement.
To the best of my understanding and investigation; the sterilization of my own vials was the only process error I have made. It should be 100% corrected by using pre-sterilized vials. I have enough raw material left to start over on a small scale.
It will be the better part of 2 weeks +/- a few days until they are delivered and filled.
I appreciate your patience while I work through this.

 

[jbil75]

Hello everyone.
I have finished opening and replying to all emails except new order messages.

I have decided that I will discard my injectable products and begin anew with the presterilized vials. No discount. No pre-finished status. Just starting over. I will keep a stockpile for myself; but I don't expect to sell seconds.
It has taken me some time to get outside the situation and view this in the 3rd person; and I honestly don't want to be known as a secondhand store. The thought of that is nauseating really; so I apologize for the suggestion. It was a lapse in judgement.
To the best of my understanding and investigation; the sterilization of my own vials was the only process error I have made. It should be 100% corrected by using pre-sterilized vials. I have enough raw material left to start over on a small scale.
It will be the better part of 2 weeks +/- a few days until they are delivered and filled.
I appreciate your patience while I work through this.

That should have been your original response.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

That should have been your original response.

Definitely. It would have mitigated a lot more damage.

 

[biggerben69]

His blunt honesty about this whole thing is interesting.

I don't for one second believe he had any issue whatsoever with lying to us. In fact, when reflecting on what turned out to be the most crucial decision to date...how he handled this issue...he'll regret not lying. It would've bought him more time. His ego did him in. Without question he believes he is always the smartest guy in the room. He believes he's needed here and that he has something special to offer. As difficult as it may be for him to understand the reality of things; he doesn't

What happened to this source is something we've seen time and again with sources that enjoy a measure of success early on in their existence.

Before I get into that, its important to remember that this guy many of you have come to know and admire, is an amateur when it comes to brewing. When it comes to brewing on a larger scale than home brewing for himself, its clear he's quickly become a danger to the Community.
What he needed is what a troubled youth without a father figure in his life needs...a mentor. Someone to apprentice under.
The mixing of raws and solvents and filling and capping vials for oneself and a handful of friends is one thing. Psychologically, it gave him a false sense of importance.
I don't remember the backstory he tried to sell us here? While catching up with this thread tonight, somewhere in the last 20 pages I read he is married to a pharmacist?
My first wife and I met a young couple while on a Royal Caribbean Cruise. They were both pharmacists. Both graduated from Rutgers. My wife and the gal hit it off and we vacationed with them for the next 10 or 12 yrs.
Nice couple. Very straight laced.
If Sym's story is true..and I doubt very much that it is..he is an anomaly. In his group of friends he considers himself to be the most popular. The group allows this in order to keep the free gear coming.
They let him tell the story and pat him on the back giving him a false sense of importance.
He came here and was able to handle the uptick in volume without too many issues. He new he would need to brew on larger scale and prepped his work space the best he could.

I'm making this way longer than i need to as is my m.o. I apologize...

Its quite simple; he got too big too fast. Somethings are going to suffer when volume doubles and triples, or whatever the case was here.
The stories he tells us are just that; stories. He talks a decent game. Puts us at ease. But he's a one man operation, I believe? If he has a helper its not going to help much as far as keeping things flowing without the issues we're seeing here.

His workspace can't change if he needs more room to accommodate the increased volume. He's going to use the counter that needs the formica countertop redone.
He'll use the windowsills to store the vials he will be filling tonight.

We heard him whining about needing sleep. You don't need to be a chemist to brew. What is important is experience operating a lab.
There are checklists and procedures when opening and then closing lab or in this guys case, his workspace.
Cleaning/sanitizing and maintenance are the most important things where we are concerned.
Increased sales volume and the greed that comes with it are what kills new...and old ugl's.
We've seen it before and are seeing it now with Stanford. I don't know if stans health issues are real or not. I do know exactly who the "helper" is that we've been hearing about the last few months. He needs 3 to 4 full time guys helping.
Same with this guy. He's simply not equipped to handle volume.
He needs a small staff on call to open and close his workspace and to clean. He is operating in chaos and in unsanitary conditions. Its impossible for him or anyone to do the volume he's doing here and to put out a safe product. There's shit everywhere. He'll walk into the same mess tomorrow that he left last night. Cleanliness suffers. Finished product suffers. Its not possible for him to turn out a safe product at this point.
He should toss remaining stock. He now knows what the potential money wise is now.
He has to have an idea of how many customers he can handle before quality suffers. It takes discipline to stay at that # of customers and turn away $$.
If he doesn't he's going to lose everything anyway.
He seems to have a following. Keep 25 customers if thats a reasonable #. Update the thread from time to time.
Maybe get a handful of resellers and get them stocked up with new clean product. Trim his menu and make it lean and mean. Pay the guys in gear. When they have sent you the amount of $$ agreed upon send more. I don't know? Some variation of that.
Send a couple of big friends to the local gyms to drum up biz. Contact some personal trainers in the area. Many supplement that income with gear sales.
Get creative. Gotta do something different. We've seen the story your writing here play out before. Doesn't end well...but it will end.

 

[iceman440]

It was not till the idea of loss of sales came into mind that it was important to throw away tainted gear.