SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

did a little order today, just some test to try out.
i always do bloods so yall will get those when i do, credit or no credit, makes no difference to me. i do it out of necessity. and love.
 
You are correct on the inconsistent absorption rates of Androgel; but it is a hydroalcohilic gel rather than PLO. All of the hydroalcoholic hormone gels are unpredictable to my knowledge. I would assume this is because of the water in them not penetrating the stratum corneum; and the alcohol evaporating prior to the hormone being transported. That is my own rationale and I have no data for that hypothesis.

Older PLO bases are inferior to some of the newer transdermal products; but this one is relatively new. I couldn't speak to how they make this one a better product; but the data is there to prove the manufacturer's claim. I am unsure about new PLO formulations mitigating the skin irritation. It was irritating to me; and that was the reason I found a different base to try next time. Pentravan is a nice product. There is nothing wrong with that base, other than the one I found has greater 12 hour absorption than Pentravan.

I would not hesitate to share the manufacturer; but, as I stated earlier, the sale is restricted. If someone were to know what type of facility I purchase it from, then cross reference the region from where I ship; it would too greatly narrow the possibilities of my supplier. The documentation of efficacy includes the brand name in all of the literature; so provision of the data is also a negative.

Regarding testicular application: I just didn't want to do it. My greatest concern was the apprehension of skin irritation down there. All of your points regarding the superiority of the scrotal surface for transdermal application are valid and accurate: but I just don't like it, so that is my stance on it.

When you mention "versabase", are your referring to the trade name product Versabase; or a generalization to similar transdermal vehicles? I ask because there are many good products out there. I only included the Versabase comparison in my original response because I thought you were discussing the trade named product; which was proven to be inferior to the one I used.

Thank you again for a very detailed response. I have to admit that I'd be hard pressed to find a more scientifically minded supplier with so much attention to detail. You appear very well educated and have done your research. My hat's off to you there sir.

I was hoping that the compound formulations you were looking at using could not be traced back to a proprietary brand and could be shared. I understand your reluctance to give out information regarding the chemistry involved in the given transdermal bases out of preservation for yourself and all involved. Thank you for clarifying.

Regarding the transdermal carrier base, I'm sure it is difficult to find a base that absorbs Testosterone efficiently and in a timely manner to avoid transference to others. Seems like a crux.

As far as scrotal application goes, I disagree with it causing irritation and and know many people that use it with the application of a suitable lipodermic carrier base...nonetheless, I completely respect your decision and concerns.

I appreciate you correcting me on the Androgel since I believed it was a PLO based product and that PLO bases sometimes used alchohol in their oil/water matrix formulations to help with the absorption of certain drugs...I know some drugs are better absorbed than others using PLO bases in general.
If there new PLO bases with superior absorption for testosterone in particular then stand corrected. I'm not up to date on newer PLO compounds and have not researched them...from what I understand PLO's that carry testosterone seem to be, often times, irritating to certain skin types though.

I was referring to some versabase analog carrier formulas that are often compounded using similar/altered chemistry ratios of the original VersaBase brand. I can't honestly say if any of these similar versions of VersaBase are superior to the brand formulary or just a legal attempt to try and circumvent paying for the original pharmaceutical brand product...so yes, similar carrier vehicles.

I've followed this thread for quite some time and you have been scrutinized on details about your operation. Understandably, this is to protect the community here and I appreciate those who've put you through the gambit. You hold yourself well...frighteningly well. Personally I wouldn't question your abilities after all the information you've provided to others but you really seen to good to be true. I can understand others concerns that you could represent an LE agency. You're good...almost to good to be UG.

Enjoy your day off. I will be continuing to follow this thread and will be making some purchases in time.
 
So far I'm drinkin the koolaid! Dude is cool as hell...
@SymBiotics took time out of what was probably family time for him to answer some product questions I had and helped me with some planning in dealing with my ASIH/low testosterone issues.
So far he's shown me nothing but good. Firmly believe products will be quality and dealings will be more than fair.
That's all I wanted to say...
 
Any chance of adding primo? Forgive me if it’s been asked though I’ve been following this thread and I didn’t see it discussed.
 
Would like to order some to try for my TRT.

I would be very interested in buying some test undecanoate.I would like to use it for my TRT

Yeah I’m sure he heard you the first time. I’m also sure you’ll be waiting a while. He stated yesterday that raws are in route but then there’s the whole brewing process and sending off to weights & measure before he can distribute. Problem is, weights & measures is mia.
 
Any chance of adding primo? Forgive me if it’s been asked though I’ve been following this thread and I didn’t see it discussed.
I believe so; but it will be a while still. I'd like to have an excessive quantity of basic items on the shelf before I add many other things.
 
This has been the hottest September I can remember and the heat has worn me out. It will be an early evening at my house.
I wish everyone a great night and an even better morning. Thank you to all that have ordered and commented in my thread. My list is below.

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This has been the hottest September I can remember and the heat has worn me out. It will be an early evening at my house.
I wish everyone a great night and an even better morning. Thank you to all that have ordered and commented in my thread. My list is below.

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Living in the southeast, I too am sick of the heat. Think we're gonna set a record today too.
 
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