SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

So he gives up a nice cosy career as a chemist making lets say 150-200k a year to brew AAS? hmmm, seems legit lol. I think the dude was LE in some way shape or form directly or indrectly. got hacked and or mr PI didnt know about the operation and comprimsed the whole thing so they shut it down, only to rebrand, set up shop later on down the road. Fuck this tin foil hat is making my head itch! I dont ever expect him to come back as symbiotics. but to have that much invested whether he was LE or not he or "they" will be back, maybe not Meso but somewhere else under some other name.
 
If Sym was an agent, then why didn't they bust Ronald when they had the chance?

Why would they close up shop and not continue whatever investigation that they had started with all this?

What's the end game? Bust a few guys that scraped by with a minimum order? Pick off a few members to make an example?

This is what I was thinking. Furthermore, if he was LE, why come here with a setup that people deemed to be "too perfect" to begin with. That alone spooked people. You'd think a LE agent would try to blend in with the rest of the sources that setup shop rather than set one up that stood out from the rest.
 
What about the people who actually got packs? Did they get real gear? I have talked to at least one who said the prop seemed legit. Would LE send real gear? No way. Would they send fake gear? I doubt it. What about all the lab reports from W&M?Would LE send raws to W&M? Is that dude still around? Too bad, we could ask him.

None of it makes sense. We won’t ever know.

Personally I don’t think he was LE. A friend got a pack recently from him. He is going to send a sample out for testing. When the results are in, I’ll have him give me a copy to post here.

@Weights & Measures.
 
Great fucking post dude seriously!

Thanks.

Until 16 years ago I had some very unscrupulous behavior and was neck deep in illegal activities off and on from a young age. I eventually moved away, disappeared, and started a brand new life.

While I was active, I never wanted to be a known. Not many people directly knew who I was, what my role was in what I did, or what most of my connections and dealings with others were. This kept LE off of me and I observed, mostly from a distance, how they operated in different criminal enterprises and how people went down.
LE used people from every link on the food chain to gather information and bring people or entire groups down.

About 6 years ago I caught wind back home about a former acquaintance of mine who put his brains all over his parents master bedroom walls because he was about to do some real time and there were some really bad guys inside the pen waiting for him. It could finally be proven that he had a lot to do with putting them away and LE wouldn't protect him anymore. I was sad to hear that he did what he did but he got away with ruining a lot of people's lives for a long time before it caught up to him.
Based on his frequent interactions with LE, I thought it was obvious to everyone that this guy was an informant for a very long time but he fooled a lot of people.
The best place for an informant to hide is in plain sight and it's often superior to any sophisticated technology DEA agencies employ to round people up. LE uses people way more effectively than we give them credit for.
 
Only takes one lil mistake before the cats out of the bag...
Let the hacker operate on the forums. I'm sure it's a member of MESO, one potential mistake will disclose his/their IP to Millard and the rest of MESO. It's only a matter of time, a slip of the finger.
 
If Sym was an agent, then why didn't they bust Ronald when they had the chance?

Why would they close up shop and not continue whatever investigation that they had started with all this?

What's the end game? Bust a few guys that scraped by with a minimum order? Pick off a few members to make an example?
My thoughts exactly...doesn't make sense right?
 
My email has been compromised, evidently through iOS. Search for "iPhone messenger hack": it was new news at the beginning of this month.
I got an email last week demanding $2500 in bitcoin. I didn't even have $2500 to give the guy; so I just ignored it. All of my money went to new raw materials.
It's not my return addresses that is the problem. It is completely legitimate. I ship from places on my way through from home to the field sites. It isn't near my home; otherwise I wouldn't be up so early every morning.
There is no way I'd ship from my local office.
Search the internet for using return addresses different from the shipping city. The radius is 200 miles or different time zones. All return addresses are legitimate physical addresses; but they aren't my house. It is very common for ebay businesses. I studied this before I began.
I can't track any packages because I lost the 2FA with iPhone and I can't get into my email since about 1PM.
This package was probably reported by whomever took over my device because of the email that the postage site sends after label creation.
I will refund anyone who does not get a package.

My 2FA is inoperable here too; so it is probably only a matter of time until this account is worthless.

This was intentional and was done by a bad person.
I will create another account to reimburse any people who suffer a loss because of this.
I did not know this much unbridled laziness existed in which someone would resort to potential ruin of lives over $2500 that a man did not possess to begin with.
This is my last post from this account.
I'm sorry, but I did not do this. I am not capable of malice of this magnitude; and I am now temporarily inoperable.

Someone, please end this hacking foolishness.

Actually, I just realized that the time line of events between my knock and talk and your email hacking make your “hacker/extortionist reporting my postage” theory impossible.

My package was scheduled for delivery on the 17th. On the 17th, it arrived at the post office, and tracking went dead later in the day. It was stuck at “awaiting final delivery scan” and only my informed delivery showed it. I could not track the package on USPS. I assumed my stoner mail guy fucked up, but looking back now I should have known something was off about this delivery .

On the 19th, I had my knock and talk (I forget whoever coined that term but thank you I love it).

If your email was compromised on the night of the 18th (when you said you received the $2500 extortion email) and your postage was “reported to LE”, how would it be possible for them to follow up with me the next morning?

My package was clearly in the hands of LE on or before the day it was due to be delivered (17th), yet your email was compromised the night of the 18th and your “postage was reported”.

I’m very tired right now and my grammar/sentences may not be the best, but I would imagine you can figure out what I’m getting at.


Your story doesn’t make any fucking sense and is actually impossible given the timeline of events between the scheduled delivery of my package and your alleged email hacker postage reporting.

I can post my full tracking with all location and zip codes blacked out if need be. Also, there is another person in this thread who told me they had some odd tracking and were expecting a package but never got it. It would be great to hear what the status on that is but I won’t throw you under the bus lol.

Ok now I sleep, goodnight everyone.
 
Do you huys think he was possible LE? I mean with all the equipment he had and the way he conducted his emails, his comms, his right answer for everything seemed almost like they studied for this shit! he knew exactly how to answer everything. Something seemed off....to me anyway. No avaerage dude has a setup like he did. that took some backing in my opinion. Maybe he was LE himself kind of seeing if they could infiltrate gather up a bunch of names addys maybe to get people to start the process for something bigger?
Yes I did and still do.
 
If Sym was an agent, then why didn't they bust Ronald when they had the chance?

Why would they close up shop and not continue whatever investigation that they had started with all this?

What's the end game? Bust a few guys that scraped by with a minimum order? Pick off a few members to make an example?
Could be the postmaster fucked up the investigation.
 
What about the people who actually got packs? Did they get real gear? I have talked to at least one who said the prop seemed legit. Would LE send real gear? No way. Would they send fake gear? I doubt it. What about all the lab reports from W&M?Would LE send raws to W&M? Is that dude still around? Too bad, we could ask him.

None of it makes sense. We won’t ever know.

Personally I don’t think he was LE. A friend got a pack recently from him. He is going to send a sample out for testing. When the results are in, I’ll have him give me a copy to post here.

@Weights & Measures.
Sure he would send legit gear. Undercover narcs sell legit drugs all the time.
 
Actually, I just realized that the time line of events between my knock and talk and your email hacking make your “hacker/extortionist reporting my postage” theory impossible.

My package was scheduled for delivery on the 17th. On the 17th, it arrived at the post office, and tracking went dead later in the day. It was stuck at “awaiting final delivery scan” and only my informed delivery showed it. I could not track the package on USPS. I assumed my stoner mail guy fucked up, but looking back now I should have known something was off about this delivery .

On the 19th, I had my knock and talk (I forget whoever coined that term but thank you I love it).

If your email was compromised on the night of the 18th (when you said you received the $2500 extortion email) and your postage was “reported to LE”, how would it be possible for them to follow up with me the next morning?

My package was clearly in the hands of LE on or before the day it was due to be delivered (17th), yet your email was compromised the night of the 18th and your “postage was reported”.

I’m very tired right now and my grammar/sentences may not be the best, but I would imagine you can figure out what I’m getting at.


Your story doesn’t make any fucking sense and is actually impossible given the timeline of events between the scheduled delivery of my package and your alleged email hacker postage reporting.

I can post my full tracking with all location and zip codes blacked out if need be. Also, there is another person in this thread who told me they had some odd tracking and were expecting a package but never got it. It would be great to hear what the status on that is but I won’t throw you under the bus lol.

Ok now I sleep, goodnight everyone.
Didn't you already have issues with LE coming to your mother's house before this supposed incident?

I don't know why no one has asked this before, but let's see screens of the "suspicious" tracking.
 
Actually, I just realized that the time line of events between my knock and talk and your email hacking make your “hacker/extortionist reporting my postage” theory impossible.

My package was scheduled for delivery on the 17th. On the 17th, it arrived at the post office, and tracking went dead later in the day. It was stuck at “awaiting final delivery scan” and only my informed delivery showed it. I could not track the package on USPS. I assumed my stoner mail guy fucked up, but looking back now I should have known something was off about this delivery .

On the 19th, I had my knock and talk (I forget whoever coined that term but thank you I love it).

If your email was compromised on the night of the 18th (when you said you received the $2500 extortion email) and your postage was “reported to LE”, how would it be possible for them to follow up with me the next morning?

My package was clearly in the hands of LE on or before the day it was due to be delivered (17th), yet your email was compromised the night of the 18th and your “postage was reported”.

I’m very tired right now and my grammar/sentences may not be the best, but I would imagine you can figure out what I’m getting at.


Your story doesn’t make any fucking sense and is actually impossible given the timeline of events between the scheduled delivery of my package and your alleged email hacker postage reporting.

I can post my full tracking with all location and zip codes blacked out if need be. Also, there is another person in this thread who told me they had some odd tracking and were expecting a package but never got it. It would be great to hear what the status on that is but I won’t throw you under the bus lol.

Ok now I sleep, goodnight everyone.
You know what makes me highly suspicious of your story is.

How are you so calm and cool about having a knock and talk, or possible case on your hands?

If this did infect happen to you then why the hell are you on this board admitting guilt and giving out even more details. Are you fucking nuts?

Also you coming to this board not even 2 months ago posting 227 messages in that time. I've seen flashes In the pan like yourself before. They usually come here for self serving purposes.
 
I know it's probably not related, but came across this, it happened 3 days ago:

Accused National Steroid Ring Indicted In Ohio

Sep 19, 2019 10:46 am ET

The Department of Justice announced charges against three men who are accused of running a steroid distribution ring.

[...]

Qu4ntum were investigated by the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, the FBI, Homeland Security, the IRS and the Medina County Drug Task Force.
 
Actually, I just realized that the time line of events between my knock and talk and your email hacking make your “hacker/extortionist reporting my postage” theory impossible.

My package was scheduled for delivery on the 17th. On the 17th, it arrived at the post office, and tracking went dead later in the day. It was stuck at “awaiting final delivery scan” and only my informed delivery showed it. I could not track the package on USPS. I assumed my stoner mail guy fucked up, but looking back now I should have known something was off about this delivery .

On the 19th, I had my knock and talk (I forget whoever coined that term but thank you I love it).

If your email was compromised on the night of the 18th (when you said you received the $2500 extortion email) and your postage was “reported to LE”, how would it be possible for them to follow up with me the next morning?

My package was clearly in the hands of LE on or before the day it was due to be delivered (17th), yet your email was compromised the night of the 18th and your “postage was reported”.

I’m very tired right now and my grammar/sentences may not be the best, but I would imagine you can figure out what I’m getting at.


Your story doesn’t make any fucking sense and is actually impossible given the timeline of events between the scheduled delivery of my package and your alleged email hacker postage reporting.

I can post my full tracking with all location and zip codes blacked out if need be. Also, there is another person in this thread who told me they had some odd tracking and were expecting a package but never got it. It would be great to hear what the status on that is but I won’t throw you under the bus lol.

Ok now I sleep, goodnight everyone.

I said it initially and I still believe it. Your box was damaged in transit and that’s how they were able to determine the contents. They saw the SymBiotics label so they googled it which brought up MESO. Those were the questions they asked you. It had nothing to do with opsec, a LE investigation or the hacker. It was just bad dumb luck that the box got banged up.
 
I said it initially and I still believe it. Your box was damaged in transit and that’s how they were able to determine the contents. They saw the SymBiotics label so they googled it which brought up MESO. Those were the questions they asked you. It had nothing to do with opsec, a LE investigation or the hacker. It was just bad dumb luck that the box got banged up.


Possible, but if that were the case it would of had to of been obliterated or substantially pierced directly through to of exposed anything. Or the PI cut into it further to get to the contents. Have you seen his packaging? It's not just bubbled wrapped and stuffed into a box like some sources here do.
 
Personally I don’t think he was LE. A friend got a pack recently from him. He is going to send a sample out for testing. When the results are in, I’ll have him give me a copy to post here.

@Weights & Measures.

I appreciate that your friend wants to send a sample out for testing, but he should probably just save his $. At this point there is really no reason to have it tested. No matter the outcome, Symbiotics is gone.
 
I appreciate that your friend wants to send a sample out for testing, but he should probably just save his $. At this point there is really no reason to have it tested. No matter the outcome, Symbiotics is gone.

Nah nah nah...Have him test it we wanna know! :D:cool:
 
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