yeah something doesn't add up with that. Good catch!
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SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)
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Venroc
Member
SymBiotics doesn’t pop up on google
T&H
Well-known Member
I wonder if anyone else got their pack intercepted? I see symbiotics STILL hasn't created a new account.
chocolatemalt
New Member
Good security is always a pain in the ass. And the more secure you make it (3FA, air gaps, etc) the bigger pain it is. There's always the temptation to take shortcuts even if you're the guy who put the security in place. Sounds like that's what happened here.
A few have already addressed this. Is it in the realm of possibility that Symbiotics could have been LE? Absolutely. Is it probable? No. Yes, the PO could have fucked up a bigger operation by the DEA but it seems highly unlikely. We could "suppose" all day but the most likely answer is the most probable one.
To your credit, yes, I believe LE probably watches this forum like hawk and there is little we can do about it other than think before we post and rely on the moderator/established members of meso to keep watch...as they seem to do a good job of doing.
I'm glad you and others question everything because it's worth questioning.
WHY IS IT UNLIKELY THAT SYM WAS LE?
It is a completely valid question:
If Sym was a direct agent of LE, then shutting the shop down so quickly with little to nothing to show for their efforts would be stupid.
Keeping the shop open over a long period of time would net way more value.
LE could potentially use the shop to gather valuable information on other members, offer potential connections to greater/wider resources, etc..
LE could have gained so much more if they gave Sym's shop time to grow within the community.
If Sym was not LE, got busted early on and had an LE handler, the same would apply.
If Sym was not LE, did not get busted and flipped by LE but was being watched by big LE, the same would apply.
Again, regarding Symbiotics being LE
I strongly believe that Symbiotic was way to good of a setup for his entity to be some small LE agency...either that or the DEA needs to hire this guy to work for them because they're doing a shit job placing agents as sellers to round up AAS users if that was their goal.
Let's face it: if LE was really focused on putting away guys like us then more of us would be doing time right now and boards like this wouldn't exist with long standing members. Steroids users are not the DEA's #1,2,3 or 4 concern regarding controlled substances.
Big LE doesn't really want to spend the time and resources to nail AAS users unless they can convert them to LE's side to nail bigger fish...I strongly believe you'd have to be a really well established AAS community member with LOTS of connections and clout to be targeted by an operation by a big LE agency. They'd only be interested in flipping someone who could give up more valuable information and resources.
Big LE operations are not fishermen casting lines off the side of a row boat hoping to catch a random fish, they are fisherman on big commercial stealth fishing vessels casting large nets and only keeping what is of value to their operation.
Sources in the UGL and members of meso are all over the world...we are in international waters. US UGL sources and meso based members are all over the country...we are surrounded by the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.
Meso's member base and UGL source board is not cinfined to a town, metropolis, or even a state...we are not in a pond, river, or lake.
If Symbiotics is smart, he'll keep his head down for awhile. If he is the family man with an actual career, we may never see him again here.
Whatever happened...his last post indicated that he was panicked and not his usual composed self.
No... no... no. We’re a bunch of juiced up meatheads here. You can’t toss out smart stuff without at least explaining it. This isn’t your girl’s book club and I’m not drinking Chardonnay right now.
Unless I can shave my head with it, start your dissertation.
I would say the Pareto principle also applies.
Glocker
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If this is true than whats up with Sym falling on his sword about his iphone being hacked and email accessed? Coincidence?
If this is true than whats up with Sym falling on his sword about his iphone being hacked and email accessed? Coincidence?
You guys are more willing to believe the hacker 1) got his stuff
2) looked at the addresses for the most recent orders
3) anonymously reported it to the PO for the towns they were being delivered to
4) the PO was so CERTAIN that the anonymous report was correct that they KEPT @Masterofron package and paid him a visit
That’s A LOT.
I think package broke open enough that they could see inside. Simple as that with regard to PO. @SymBiotics was nervous already from the hacker’s extortion email that he panicked and jumped to a conclusion. Hillbilly JimBob the Chevy truck guy panicked with far less.
I refuse to give credit to the hacker/extortionist unless he provides proof. We’re giving him power for no reason.
Ahhhhh shit. Sounds like I have some reading to do. The last 10 post don’t sound promising! Stay safe y’all.
Since OldSmice didn't explain
Occam's Razor = the simplest answer is usually the correct one
T-Bagger
Elite
According to people who had TD’s, his stealth was incredible, especially for domestic. I don’t buy it.
dusbjon
New Member
Anyone happen to have bloods yet on this guy’s test? Week 2 my first cycle (after researching for years) and I’m really hoping his Test C isn’t bunk.
I know what you’re saying but how else does the PO open and/or keep your package?
T-Bagger
Elite
You got me bro. Something isn’t adding up. Then again, it never has with this guy.
I mean if you think about it as a Scientist who wanted to try crime vs. a criminal who wanted to try science (most sources) it seems to add up for me.
Didn't they make a TV show about this?
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