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T-Bagger said:
According to people who had TD’s, his stealth was incredible, especially for domestic. I don’t buy it.
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It was. Which is the weird part.. The hacker/extortionist excuse doesn’t fit the timeline of other events, and it also contradicts what he has said about his own security. So that’s bullshit. Somehow LE got to him. Maybe they’ve been on to him because of his equipment, etc. Anything is possible. Also if his intro story was anywhere near true or even had pieces of truth in it, then it would be easy for LE to locate him and begin an investigation. Based off his lab and inventory photos alone, LE would have plenty of reason to shut the guy down regardless of wether he’s new or not. Anything is possible with this guy but I blame his overall poor opsec. He gave a perfect example of how bad it is in the last post he made-

“ All return addresses are legitimate physical addresses; but they aren't my house. It is very common for ebay businesses. I studied this before I began.”

For anyone that’s ever ordered from him, I’m sure you will know exactly what I’m talking about. I was very surprised he said this publicly.
 
Masterofron said:
It was. Which is the weird part.. The hacker/extortionist excuse doesn’t fit the timeline of other events, and it also contradicts what he has said about his own security. So that’s bullshit. Somehow LE got to him. Maybe they’ve been on to him because of his equipment, etc. Anything is possible. Also if his intro story was anywhere near true or even had pieces of truth in it, then it would be easy for LE to locate him and begin an investigation. Based off his lab and inventory photos alone, LE would have plenty of reason to shut the guy down regardless of wether he’s new or not. Anything is possible with this guy but I blame his overall poor opsec. He gave a perfect example of how bad it is in the last post he made-

“ All return addresses are legitimate physical addresses; but they aren't my house. It is very common for ebay businesses. I studied this before I began.”

For anyone that’s ever ordered from him, I’m sure you will know exactly what I’m talking about. I was very surprised he said this publicly.
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Looks like then what happened to you was a warning shot, and others who have dealt with this guy needs to clean house to protect themselves as they well may get that visit from the PI too. LE is watching practically every damn board out there silently building their cases then making the bust.

I suspect this guy's either been busted or is very close to being busted.
 
BigBaldBeardGuy said:
You guys are more willing to believe the hacker 1) got his stuff
2) looked at the addresses for the most recent orders
3) anonymously reported it to the PO for the towns they were being delivered to
4) the PO was so CERTAIN that the anonymous report was correct that they KEPT @Masterofron package and paid him a visit

That’s A LOT.

I think package broke open enough that they could see inside. Simple as that with regard to PO. @SymBiotics was nervous already from the hacker’s extortion email that he panicked and jumped to a conclusion. Hillbilly JimBob the Chevy truck guy panicked with far less.

I refuse to give credit to the hacker/extortionist unless he provides proof. We’re giving him power for no reason.
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BigBaldBeardGuy said:
I know what you’re saying but how else does the PO open and/or keep your package?
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First-Class letters and parcels are protected against search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and, as such, cannot be opened without a search warrant. ... Other classes of mail do not contain private correspondence, and therefore may be opened without a warrant. Googled warrant needed to open package this is what came up .
 
Masterofron said:
That was 2017 after vis Vires was busted.. 3 addresses since now, clearly unrelated.

No Balco, I won’t answer to you or defend myself in any way shape or form against your skepticism. Any member with a decent rep here can pm me for it. @MisterSuperGod (doubt he cares since tracking has no nudes) or @biggerben69 or @BigBaldBeardGuy or whoever, but now that you ask out of skepticism publicly, I refuse. Fuck off lol.
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The other fucky part of your story is that the LEO asked for information on the source knowing full well you had a felony in your possession, you said fuck off and he just walked away!?

That's not how that shit works, LE would of charged you if you refused to cooperate. The hang charges over your head and offer a deal for information, if you don't give them information you get charged.
 
Grandpa Gainz said:
Ahhhhh shit. Sounds like I have some reading to do. The last 10 post don’t sound promising! Stay safe y’all.
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Holy shit! Still rockin the AA muscle tank. Love it!

T-Bagger said:
According to people who had TD’s, his stealth was incredible, especially for domestic. I don’t buy it.
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Agreed man.

Masterofron said:
Somehow LE got to him. Maybe they’ve been on to him because of his equipment, etc. Anything is possible. Also if his intro story was anywhere near true or even had pieces of truth in it, then it would be easy for LE to locate him and begin an investigation. Based off his lab and inventory photos alone, LE would have plenty of reason to shut the guy down regardless of wether he’s new or not. Anything is possible with this guy but I blame his overall poor opsec. He gave a perfect example of how bad it is in the last post he made-

“ All return addresses are legitimate physical addresses; but they aren't my house. It is very common for ebay businesses. I studied this before I began.”

For anyone that’s ever ordered from him, I’m sure you will know exactly what I’m talking about. I was very surprised he said this publicly.
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True. Which is exactly why meso needs to re-evaluate the vetting process. We demand these photos for our safety, but in the end game we are jeopardizing ourselves and the source. Sym thought he/was invincible here but made several dire mistakes along the way. I hope Sym is alright. I am glad @Masterofron is alright as well. Nobody needs adult time-outs for this shit.
 
puckhog said:
Holy shit! Still rockin the AA muscle tank. Love it!


Agreed man.



True. Which is exactly why meso needs to re-evaluate the vetting process. We demand these photos for our safety, but in the end game we are jeopardizing ourselves and the source. Sym thought he/was invincible here but made several dire mistakes along the way. I hope Sym is alright. I am glad @Masterofron is alright as well. Nobody needs adult time-outs for this shit.
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If a source is going to be posting photos, they need to make sure personally identifying objects are NOT in the photos and the EXIF data needs to be stripped from the images.

If we see this they should take down the pics or if they cannot, Millard can take care of that.
 
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balco said:
The other fucky part of your story is that the LEO asked for information on the source knowing full well you had a felony in your possession, you said fuck off and he just walked away!?

That's not how that shit works, LE would of charged you if you refused to cooperate. The hang charges over your head and offer a deal for information, if you don't give them information you get charged.
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Balco pretend for one minute that your a federal agent. Actually never mind, because if you were you’d just be scamming buyers and sources.

I was gonna try to explain something to you, but I’ll let @BigBaldBeardGuy say it instead lol
 
Masterofron said:
Balco pretend for one minute that your a federal agent. Actually never mind, because if you were you’d just be scamming buyers and sources.

I was gonna try to explain something to you, but I’ll let @BigBaldBeardGuy say it instead lol
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They had felony leverage on you! Why would they deliver your steroids and walk away with basically a big "fuck you" ?
 
balco said:
They had felony leverage on you! Why would they deliver your steroids and walk away with basically a big "fuck you" ?
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He didn't accept the package, dummy. He denied ordering it. The PI left.

Yes IF he DID accept the package or admitted he ordered it that could be a chargeable offense if the order was sizeable.
 
MindlessWork said:
He didn't accept the package, dummy. He denied ordering it. The PI left.

Yes IF he DID accept the package or admitted he ordered it that could be a chargeable offense if the order was sizeable.
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Why would they do that? First off they don't need a controlled delivery to charge you with possession, that's just another nail in the coffin; knowing @Masterofron he most likely purchased his coin with a debit card, I mean this guy isn't too bright this is his second supposed run in with LE.

Secondly why wouldn't they attempt a controlled delivery, see if he signs for it and/or brings inside and then approach him once they had leverage? The story is just too far fetched, we aren't talking about a misdemeanor crime here, the feds aren't just going to have a friendly chat with you especially when they have someone in front of their face that can close the whole case.

I'm doing the same thing everyone else is doing (including you) and using educated speculation to figure out what actually happened.
 
balco said:
Why would they do that? First off they don't need a controlled delivery to charge you with possession, that's just another nail in the coffin; knowing @Masterofron he most likely purchased his coin with a debit card, I mean this guy isn't too bright this is his second supposed run in with LE.

Secondly why wouldn't they attempt a controlled delivery, see if he signs for it and/or brings inside and then approach him once they had leverage? The story is just too far fetched, we aren't talking about a misdemeanor crime here, the feds aren't just going to have a friendly chat with you especially when they have someone in front of their face that can close the whole case.

I'm doing the same thing everyone else is doing (including you) and using educated speculation to figure out what actually happened.
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You raise very valid points
 
T-Bagger said:
You raise very valid points
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It’s not a damn controlled delivery Jesus Chris @balco , we’ve discussed this over and over throughout the thread. There’s paragraphs people have written that answer your exact question. A federal agent and a postal inspector that are looking for information on a package that is involved with their current investigation, aren’t going to arrest me at my door. What does that accomplish? Most everyone with no criminal background could get off with just paying some fines if they did that and we had a decent lawyer. Also, federal is different then local. Local LE was not at my door Balco, because it’s not a fucking local investigation. Like I said this has been explained by multiple people throughout this thread.

Also, one buyer being busted could not close the whole case. Do I know symbiotics? No. Do I know anything about him or who he is or where he’s from? No. All I know about him is what everyone else also knows, what he’s posted publicly here.
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I swear to fuck your “second run in with LE” is absolutely fucking pointless to mention. I ordered from two labs that are under investigation/busted. If it helps you shut the fuck up about it, when vis Vires got busted all of his outgoing packages were seized, and I was not the only one who got a knock on the door... They can’t prove I ordered anything, it’s domestic mail.

I’m sick of you commenting. Don’t tag me again with your skeptical bullshit.
 
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