temptation and striving for more.... but health should be the main goal in life

[Tyler81]

But his libido is on fire. Hard to argue with results. If you had the results he is getting you'd be in heaven. This is fact. 300 may be " too much " but there are tons of men on 200 a week. Some men need to be 1000-1500 total in order to feel the benefits. Obviously low to mid range dosing doesnt do anything for him. What other option does he have? Its an honest question.

The thing is, these are short term results. You know what's more frusterating than having a weak libido? Having a great libido and then losing it!!!!!!!

I've played around with so many different things from dopamine agnoists, to pure dht, to all sorts of neurotropics. Do you know what's worked the best for me? A very simple protocol with a focus on boosting neurotransmitters through diet, excercise, and core vitamins. I have also added Lithium oro recently (but thats for my specific issue, and not foreveryoung)

With foreveryoung, there's no reason to add masteron into an already high TRT protrocol. What does this achieve? Do you think these things have no consequences? It's all cause and effect and ive found that out the hard way.

Things have consequences and the trade off for having a "libido on fire" now is having no libido in the future and wishing one had been more responsible about it.

Also, he had a libido before this protocol, he used to talk about it alot. He used to say that's its not amazing but its consistent and good and he used to preach about moderation and how its about good health first and feeling good with a consistent libido.

 

[Tyler81]

Obviously low to mid range dosing doesnt do anything for him. What other option does he have? Its an honest question.

I dont have a problem with him upping his TRT to say 200mg per week. Testosterone at that dose shouldn't have any negative longterm consequences. Also, as you said, there are some guys who need a slightly higher dose for optimal benefits.

It's all the other crap like proviron and masteron and high doses of arimidex ?

I don't think it's sustainable longterm.

 

[foreveryoung]

strong morning wood today and libido is strong also

due for injection later today
had a very good workout last night, physique looking pretty tight

I believe the masteron and arimidex are what will make the testosterone therapy and libido sustainable, and also keeps away that puffy slightly soft look that I see most that are on trt have

 

[Tyler81]

I disagree about the arimidex (thanking estrogen is really brutal for joints and libido)

As for the masteron, ok. you've got me intrigued about it. I googled it and i cant really figure out what it is or what it does. do you know the mechanism of action?

Rather than lecture you about it, why don't you tell me why masteron is good and what it exactly does. Also, do you plan on using it non-stop? Or cycle it with breaks?

Also wasnt the libido from just testosterone good enough ?! lol , I mean, when my libido is good on testosterone i am too horny and it becomes bothersome. I cant imagine boosting that even further ?!

 

[foreveryoung]

well, proviron and masteron have many similarities, both like to bind to aromatase yet they can't convert to estrogen, so they help prevent testosterone from converting to estrogen, they are both forms of dht, but the differences make them slower to be deactivated by the body than regular dht. also both can bind to shbg which helps free up testosterone too

proviron is an oral, masteron is injection, and although it is said that proviron is relatively nontoxic to the liver, I think for long term use I feel that masteron might be a little safer of the two, but that is open for discussion

I think the synergy that these work together with testosterone make it a perfect combination, especially with the theoretical benefit that either one should make it possible to require less arimidex, or maybe no other AI at all needed if testosterone dosage is not way too high

 

[foreveryoung]

bringing my testosterone dosage down a bit to see how that goes, just injected 125mg cyp and 75mg masteron

 

[foreveryoung]

extreme sexual dreams this morning, very enjoyable actually, vivid and seemed very real

woke up with strong wood

 

[MP1950]

62 years old, lean, fit, married 20 years, treatment resistant rapid cycling bipolar illness, subclinical hypothyroid. Now...seven years ago my total T was 385 & free T 44; despite a lousy marriage, erections were plentiful and when she was in the mood, mr. johnson performed admirably, leaving her with a smile. Last year, began to realize haven't had morning wood for at least three years, low libido, difficulty ejauculating when we did have sex. Started with the endo for a battery of tests. Total T 648, free T 114, prolactin 5.5, never tested for SHBG. Total E was elevated; 155 and have brought that down to 97 over the past year. Libido seems to have gone the way of the buffalo. Tried preg, dhea, stinging nettle root, fish oil, but along with a bump in libido, my mania rears up, big time. Even though my problem isn't the same, I understand where Forever is coming from, even though never been on TT or any other hormone therapy. And all my doctor wants to do is give me Viagra or Cialis.

We don't just want GOOD, we want GREAT! Like when we were 18. I want to get back there, too, even though my wife cares little about sex. I just want it because I'm a man who loves women, looks at them whenever & wherever, has a youthful enthusiasm, plenty of sexual fantasies and damn it, a rock solid, spontaneous hardon feels so-o good!!!

"If everyone is thinking alike, then no one is thinking." Benjamin Franklin

 

[foreveryoung]

mp1950 you said it well.... maybe guys that haven't ever had a super strong libido don't know what they're missing, but those of us that lived with a super libido through our teens and 20s have the deep inner need to recapture that life and continue it throughout our lives

 

[foreveryoung]

had a great workout, my strength is probably triple what it was a few months ago (ie. I can do three times the reps quite easily of pull ups, for example)

feel pretty damn good this evening

I haven't taken arimidex for a while, I am intrigued by that and maybe the ability of the masteron to let me get away with this, will keep a watch on it and see how it works out.... occasionally I get a bit of hot flashes though, which to me is a sign of too much estrogen, but it has been not too bad recently. measured today at a pharmacy and blood pressure is still fine

 

[foreveryoung]

5 hours sleep and woke up extremely hungry
strong morning wood

 

[foreveryoung]

libido extremely strong right now, distractingly strong, and persistent strong erection

 

[bax]

This thread is making my sad libido and 480 T level seem all the more ridiculous at this point. I agree with ForYoung..How long is one supposed to just accept a lagging libido,etc just because they fall in low normal range? I applaud you for taking matters in your own hands. We are only alive once.

 

[foreveryoung]

couldn't help myself, masturbated and had a very good orgasm, then fell right back to sleep and slept about an hour and a half and then woke up and had very strong morning wood again

good thing I don't have a girlfriend in bed with me today or she would be very raw, lol

 

[foreveryoung]

very strong libido this afternoon, sitting here with spontaneous rock hard erection

for some reason, today is probably the strongest libido day I can remember in a very long time

 

[foreveryoung]

libido cooled off into the afternoon, never really noticed it all day, although I am pretty sure with the right stimulus in front of me I would have been good to go, but I went about my regular business all day and felt good

so there is still room for more improvement if trying to recapture that teenage urgency where it becomes all consuming all day long

 

[Video Vic]

So what dose of test enanthate and masteron are you using now?

 

[foreveryoung]

So what dose of test enanthate and masteron are you using now?

125mg cypionate every 3 or 4 days, 75mg masteron every 2 or 3 days, plus or minus

 

[foreveryoung]

not really noticing much of a libido today, I think it would have been there if I had needed it though, but no overwhelming or distracting urge today

just did 125mg cyp and 75mg masteron injection

 

[foreveryoung]

maybe I spoke too soon, started to unwind from a long busy day and libido has kicked in and strong erection, I don't think the masteron would be cleaving the propionate ester that fast to be feeling the effects of that, but who knows