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Test 250mg EW, should I include an AI?
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LilCountry
New Member
I’m new to all this but have read a lot! I think the general consensus is no AI unless you start having e2 symptoms.
T&H
Well-known Member
No. Get bloodwork for test and estrogen at week 5, and monitor the entire time for high estrogen symptoms. If you experience any, you can start aromasin at low dose then.
hudson98
Banned
no, unless you want to crash your estrogen. run your 250 and enjoy it
I’ve done bloodwork now, my estrogen is somewhat elevated. My numbers look like this:
Testosterone 48 nmol/L (10-30)
SHBG 36 nmol/L (20-50)
LH <0.20
Estradiol (insensitive) 145 pmol/L (<120)
I inject on wednesdays and took the sample on Monday.
Should I start with ~5mg Aromasin ED or EOD? I have enclomiphene on hand too, if I include 12.5mg enclo E3D to prevent shutdown/increase LH, will it interact with estrogen/examestane? I’ve read enclo is esentially an anti-estrogen.
Testosterone 48 nmol/L (10-30)
SHBG 36 nmol/L (20-50)
LH <0.20
Estradiol (insensitive) 145 pmol/L (<120)
I inject on wednesdays and took the sample on Monday.
Should I start with ~5mg Aromasin ED or EOD? I have enclomiphene on hand too, if I include 12.5mg enclo E3D to prevent shutdown/increase LH, will it interact with estrogen/examestane? I’ve read enclo is esentially an anti-estrogen.
lukiss96
Well-known Member
Do you feel high estrogen symptoms? If no then no AI, if yes then start low like 0.25mg e3d or so (arimidex). If experiencing gyno only then nolvadex is better. Exemestane can be better or worse for you, I like anastrazole better and in case of mild crash estro comes back faster.
I need like 0.25mg arimidex e5d on 250mg enanthate or cypionate. When you're experienced you can go by feel like I do, when I feel symptoms I throw in 0.25mg or so. It's me not you, you should find out what works for you by trial and error.
I need like 0.25mg arimidex e5d on 250mg enanthate or cypionate. When you're experienced you can go by feel like I do, when I feel symptoms I throw in 0.25mg or so. It's me not you, you should find out what works for you by trial and error.
God&Gainz
Well-known Member
You need estrogen to build muscle. AIs are powerful drugs in their own right.
Too many guys kill their estrogen with reckless AI use.
Start very low if you are experiencing symptoms. But 250mg is a very low dose and unless you are a very heavy aromatizer it most likely can be skipped.
Too many guys kill their estrogen with reckless AI use.
Start very low if you are experiencing symptoms. But 250mg is a very low dose and unless you are a very heavy aromatizer it most likely can be skipped.
lukiss96
Well-known Member
Forgot to mention that frequency of injections plays big role too, so before throwing in AI try injecting more frequently like each other day. Usually at lower dosages it is enough to avoid high estrogen sides.
hudson98
Banned
what others said, your barley using any test not sure why you got blood work or are considering an AI. thats close to a TRT dosage. Focus on your training and diet and stop looking for the estrogen boogyman who will never come. Test works because it converts to estrogen.
Rido
Subscriber
e2 is barely elevated. you could crank it to 350 or possibly 400 with an e2 of that range.
Deezznutzz
Well-known Member
Everyones different but most trt docters would suggest .5 mg arimidex twice a week if estrogen was 80 on 200 a week testostetone. May put you at 38 or 40 after arimidex. Some people just ride it out with high estrogen but about 80% of patients at my clinic like it in normal range 25- 40 ish. That's according to my Dr. I like mine in normal range. A lot of people just test it out and see if you like yours in normal range or no Ai and double the normal range. I hate having it double the normal range. Plus I don't believe that AI 's are that bad for you. I have seen no evidence of this. Most of it is just bro science.
Highly ecto
Member
His estradiol levels are in pmol/L not ng/L. So 145 is equal to about 39 ng/L which is good for his test levels. l agree with @Cridi887 he could even go a little higher with test and have no E2 problems.
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hudson98
Banned
ive never taken an anti -e a day in my life, many haven't. this board has more fear mongering of estrogen than others ive been on by a wide margin.
AlwaysHungry
Well-known Member
On trt 250mg I personally do 0.25 twice a week.
Rido
Subscriber
Oh wow. That much?
AlwaysHungry
Well-known Member
For test? Yes I've tried all kind of lower dosages at this dose I feel my best bloodwork is perfect and I perform like I should.
Even on 200mg I didn't have good e2/androgen ratio.
Below 200mg 125,150,175 I had low e2 and also "low t" symptoms.
Only complication if y wanna call it that way , is that I'm donating blood every 80-90 days cause of hematocrit I had it from my family but test exaggerated it.
Deezznutzz
Well-known Member
Dr Rand has a good video about keeping estrogen in range. Too low causes multiple medical issues long term. Same for going too high. In range is best according to him.
Rido
Subscriber
I mean. That you need to use an AI at that dose....
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