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Test/Tren Cut - Advice Needed

God&Gainz said:
I used to be like you, thinking I knew everything and "just let me run tren bro" and "my diet is on point bro"

I was about 15% bodyfat and I went ahead and got nothing but shitty results and disappointment cause I didn't know how to diet and thought I knew better than the guys who had been at this for decades

I didn't make any REAL gains until I learned to check my ego and track my food

The funny thing here is we are actually trying to help you but you cant see it because of your confirmation bias

Lastly I got more than a few veins popping lol
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Brother, I dropped 60lbs naturally by tracking my calories. I’ve said it already in my OP. I appreciate everyone’s advice, but the same way I get told “bro trust me”, is the same way these other posts are coming off “bro trust me; tren won’t do shit for you at 24% BF”.

My diet is not the issue for me being 24% BF. Yes - trust me bro. It’s my life, I know why I’m 24% BF. I measure all my food. Everything gets tracked including fruit. It’s not my diet. I was facing personal issues and just “gave up” on everything including my diet and working out. Now I’m back and I don’t want to cut naturally. I get what “vets” are saying. Tren is harsh. I know that. But sitting here and telling me that Test only would give me the same or better results, is just straight up lies. We both know nothing compares to tren in nutrient partitioning. Nothing.
 
6FootFatty said:
Brother, I dropped 60lbs naturally by tracking my calories. I’ve said it already in my OP. I appreciate everyone’s advice, but the same way I get told “bro trust me”, is the same way these other posts are coming off “bro trust me; tren won’t do shit for you at 24% BF”.

My diet is not the issue for me being 24% BF. Yes - trust me bro. It’s my life, I know why I’m 24% BF. I measure all my food. Everything gets tracked including fruit. It’s not my diet. I was facing personal issues and just “gave up” on everything including my diet and working out. Now I’m back and I don’t want to cut naturally. I get what “vets” are saying. Tren is harsh. I know that. But sitting here and telling me that Test only would give me the same or better results, is just straight up lies. We both know nothing compares to tren in nutrient partitioning. Nothing.
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I understand we all go through tough times bro. I am glad you are trying to get your life back on track. But if you have a history of depression, is Tren really the best steroid? It fucks with your mind and if you are not on TRT and come off, the depression will hit hard.

Why not run some Clen or an ECA stack to ramp up your metabolism and lose weight first?

BUT if you are dead set on running Tren, I would advise to run low at 100mg a week, and maximum 200mg. People run Tren way too high.

My Avi pic is me on 200 test/tren. The rest is all diet, training, cardio, and most importantly, PATIENCE! I have been training and logging for nearly 10 years now.

Also make sure to keep an eye on your estrogen levels and to have Caber/Prami on hand. You can run P5P from the start to combat prolactin, but I would still advise to have Caber/Prami as it doesn't work for some people and the last thing you want is prolactin induced gyno.

Make a log and tag me so I can keep an eye on your progress. Best of luck to you.
 
6FootFatty said:
Brother, I dropped 60lbs naturally by tracking my calories. I’ve said it already in my OP. I appreciate everyone’s advice, but the same way I get told “bro trust me”, is the same way these other posts are coming off “bro trust me; tren won’t do shit for you at 24% BF”.

My diet is not the issue for me being 24% BF. Yes - trust me bro. It’s my life, I know why I’m 24% BF. I measure all my food. Everything gets tracked including fruit. It’s not my diet. I was facing personal issues and just “gave up” on everything including my diet and working out. Now I’m back and I don’t want to cut naturally. I get what “vets” are saying. Tren is harsh. I know that. But sitting here and telling me that Test only would give me the same or better results, is just straight up lies. We both know nothing compares to tren in nutrient partitioning. Nothing.
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The reason people are saying you dont need tren, is because at your BF even in a very steep deficit, catabolism is going to be almost a non issue so long as youre getting sufficient protein and maintaining your training intensity.

So taking something as harsh as tren to combat already nonexistent to minimal catabolism is silly.
Thats why people are telling you what they are telling you.
 
We are not saying not to take tren. Use it when you get to a lower body and from there decrease your body fat with tren. You shouldn’t run tren for a long time.
 
BigTomJ said:
Now i dont know you from adam, i dont know anything at all about you.
You very well may have everything in order, but your attitude and responses are the type of shit we see day in and day out from beginners that dont actually know any better.
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^This for sure.

@6FootFatty The board sees posts and threads that follow this EXACT formula 1,000/year.

After the 500th thread and post that follows this pattern the red flag basically coming flying out of the screen and start screaming "not gonna follow any advice that doesn't validate the exact things I want to hear!".

You reactions here are 100% in line with those 1000's of abject failure threads.

No one wants to hear that weight loss is really another few *years* of grueling hard work and dietary discipline away instead of a few months but it is.

I did this same shit.. clen, T3, cardarine, high dose AAS (stayed away from DNP though) and the same thing would always fuck me up: dietary consistency.

Many of those pharmaceutical interventions have a huge problem and that problem is vastly increased appetite. Those folks who have the iron will to diet down to 20%, 15% BF without the drugs have the will to resist the increased appetite as well and reap the bennies of the drugs on top of their diets.

Those who can't hit those decent BF% levels without the drugs generally hit the rock of appetite and fail (I sure AF did).

No one is busting your balls here, in fact the responses have been remarkably gentle.
 
grey said:
^This for sure.

@6FootFatty The board sees posts and threads that follow this EXACT formula 1,000/year.

After the 500th thread and post that follows this pattern the red flag basically coming flying out of the screen and start screaming "not gonna follow any advice that doesn't validate the exact things I want to hear!".

You reactions here are 100% in line with those 1000's of abject failure threads.

No one wants to hear that weight loss is really another few *years* of grueling hard work and dietary discipline away instead of a few months but it is.

I did this same shit.. clen, T3, cardarine, high dose AAS (stayed away from DNP though) and the same thing would always fuck me up: dietary consistency.

Many of those pharmaceutical interventions have a huge problem and that problem is vastly increased appetite. Those folks who have the iron will to diet down to 20%, 15% BF without the drugs have the will to resist the increased appetite as well and reap the bennies of the drugs on top of their diets.

Those who can't hit those decent BF% levels without the drugs generally hit the rock of appetite and fail (I sure AF did).

No one is busting your balls here, in fact the responses have been remarkably gentle.
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I respect your post but I don't know how I came across as arrogant. I wouldn't post a thread if I was arrogant. I obviously need advice.

But, I'm not gonna sit here and let someone tell me tren is useless at 24% body fat, and that you need to be under 12% to see anything. That's a straight lie and the science says otherwise.

You can definitely say Tren will make you crave, and if you can't diet down naturally, how would you expect to survive the cravings? This is a valid point. But just saying "you're stupid bro, tren at 24% BF? LOL. NOOB" is kinda pointless.

As I've said before, I have dieted down naturally before. I wasn't always 24% BF. I wasn't always 15% BF either. At one point, I was at 33% BF. Dropped 60 lbs naturally and the change was so drastic, I couldn't recognize myself. But like I said, I was going through some shit lately and gave up on everything. I'm back in the grind now and I just don't think dieting down naturally would keep me motivated.
 
6FootFatty said:
I respect your post but I don't know how I came across as arrogant. I wouldn't post a thread if I was arrogant. I obviously need advice.

But, I'm not gonna sit here and let someone tell me tren is useless at 24% body fat, and that you need to be under 12% to see anything. That's a straight lie and the science says otherwise.

You can definitely say Tren will make you crave, and if you can't diet down naturally, how would you expect to survive the cravings? This is a valid point. But just saying "you're stupid bro, tren at 24% BF? LOL. NOOB" is kinda pointless.

As I've said before, I have dieted down naturally before. I wasn't always 24% BF. I wasn't always 15% BF either. At one point, I was at 33% BF. Dropped 60 lbs naturally and the change was so drastic, I couldn't recognize myself. But like I said, I was going through some shit lately and gave up on everything. I'm back in the grind now and I just don't think dieting down naturally would keep me motivated.
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Why tren? Why even bring up that particular drug?
 
6FootFatty said:
But like I said, I was going through some shit lately and gave up on everything. I'm back in the grind now and I just don't think dieting down naturally would keep me motivated.
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I hear you...

Adding in *something* can help you feel like you have the edge to keep going. Nothing wrong with that, just wouldn't go with the harsh stuff or anything that will increase your appetite.

If you had to have something to try to feel an edge and keep motivated then well it is a bit of dealer's choice as even things as "mild" as Clenbuterol still have sides and often a timeline where you *must* come back off them.

When that time comes the underlying motivation problem will return and be stronger since you will then feel like you have given away the edge you had.

It can be a vicious cycle.
 
What happened that you blew back up and gained so much fat?

You had it under control for a bit….
Thread '232 lbs to 171 lbs'
232 lbs to 171 lbs

6-year rollercoaster with bodyweight. Get it under control. You’re not doing your body any favors with these mega-weight-swings.
 
JackSkel said:
What happened that you blew back up and gained so much fat?

You had it under control for a bit….
Thread '232 lbs to 171 lbs'
232 lbs to 171 lbs

6-year rollercoaster with bodyweight. Get it under control. You’re not doing your body any favors with these mega-weight-swings.
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More muscle now... not just fat. More strength. Remember, I was 232 and looked fatter than I do now at 256.
 
Bud, if these responses on an internet forum are getting under your skin this bad, tren may not be the compound for you. It can be particularly harsh in causing aggression and irritability with one's emotions and mental state.

The suggestions to try another compound first seem to be a good idea to me...but you're a grown ass man apparently. Do what you do.
 
God&Gainz said:
Tren really shines under 15% bodyfat.
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Just curious if you have any studies to confirm that? High body fat is known to cause issues with aromatization and BP, however, i tried to find any study or logical explanation why tren would be less effective at higher body fat percentage and could not find any. I don't argue about your experience, but i would also not extrapolate it on every AAS user. For example, some people need AI even at 200mg of test a week, others don't need AI even at 1g a week.
 
grey said:
You want studies on a substance that isn't approved for human use (and never will be)?

Come on new guy. Read a bit.
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That is exactly my point. I wouldn't make any statements about a drug w/o any studies attached. What I should read if there is nothing to read on this topic other than anecdotal experience?(i mean effectiveness of Trenbolone Acetate based on Body Fat percentage) :)
 
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