Testosterone at 145 need the strongest HPTA restart

[apr1989]

I am in my early twenties and had an adverse reaction to a medication I took for four months in 2013 which shut down my testosterone and induced secondary hypogonadism. I got new labs in today and my testosterone is down to 145 my estradiol is <11.8 and my LH is at 0.7 and everything else is in the middle of the range. My FSH is normal and my semen is still white and healthy but I have all the symptoms of low LH and low testosterone. Before my nuts were big, I could have sex with my girlfriend for as long as I wanted as many times a day as I wanted, and since age 11 I found it difficult to go more than a few days without ejaculating. Now I have erectile dysfunction, insomnia, indigestion, my balls have shrunken, my youth and health are deteriorating.

I am trying to find the most effective HPTA restart protocol. I have pharmaceutical HCG, toremifene, nolvadex, and clomid on hand and soon will have triptorelin. I ordered brand name Decapeptyl triptorelin from a pharmacy because I read the research peptides are usually fake. I want to put the most effective protocol together for raising my testosterone. I have read when trying to jumpstart LH production, HCG is used to prime the testes. Should I use HCG before the triptorelin shot and then continue with serms after the shot? I am looking at taking toremifene since I read it is the most effective. Is this a good idea? What would you recommend for the strongest and best protocol to get my testosterone at its highest possible levels? How high can they get from 145? I really appreciate your time.

 

[weekend]

looks to me like you're on the right track.

do 2 weeks of hcg, followed by the triptorelin (I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TRIPTORELIN)

followed by clomid at 25 mg ED combined with toremifene 60 mg ED.

get exemestane on hand and use 12.5 mg MWF

get bloods one month into these, and post the results, you can go from there.

i would expect your estrogen to raise along with test so at that point adding more exemestane might be good, and by then you can probably drop the clomid to 12.5

 

[Mike Oxbig]

What was the medication?

 

[weekend]

also, what was the medication?

 

[foreveryoung]

generally speaking, "restart"s only give temporary results, ie. higher testosterone while on the protocol, then things go back to the way there were before the restart, unless we are talking a true "restart" which means immediately after testosterone cycle, and then it is debatable whether the levels would have ended up where they end up with or without the "restart"

the use of the term and protocol "restart" months or years after things have already "restarted" as much as they will on their own anyways is kind of a theory that doesn't really hold a lot of scientific weight around here

 

[Michael Scally MD]

looks to me like you're on the right track.

do 2 weeks of hcg, followed by the triptorelin (I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TRIPTORELIN)

followed by clomid at 25 mg ED combined with toremifene 60 mg ED.

get exemestane on hand and use 12.5 mg MWF

get bloods one month into these, and post the results, you can go from there.

i would expect your estrogen to raise along with test so at that point adding more exemestane might be good, and by then you can probably drop the clomid to 12.5

Is this now or becoming the regimen for ASIH/PCT?

 

[cvictorg]

Is this now or becoming the regimen for ASIH/PCT?

This use of triptorelin is based on 1 study of 1 person

Single dose of triptorelin gets bodybuilder

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134305905

Italian endocrinologists managed to restore the natural testosterone production of a bodybuilder whose sex hormone production had shut down after 13 years of taking steroids. All they had to do was give the 34-year-old man a single dose of 100 micrograms triptorelin. An article by the researchers, who work at the University of Brescia, was published recently in Fertility & Sterility.

The bodybuilder went to a doctor in September 2008 because he was depressed, had no energy and had lost all interest in sex. He told the doctor he’d been using steroids since he was 21.

The guy took 10-week courses. Typically he would inject a daily 25 mg nandrolone and 25 mg stanozolol for the first 8 weeks, and follow it with 2 weeks of 50 mg mesterolone daily [say: primo]. The following week he would take 50 mg clomid daily, and for the last week he’d inject himself three times with 2000 IE hCG.

Well, that’s what the doctors reported. Probably the man took hCG first and clomid after. What’s more the doses sound very responsible to us. If bodybuilders tell doctors how much steroids they’ve been using, in our experience you need to triple the doses.

How many courses the man took each year is also not mentioned in the article.

The bodybuilder did jack up his doses from 2005 to 2008. During the 8 weeks that he injected stanozolol and nandrolone, he also started to use boldenone, injecting an average of 50 mg per day for a period of 3 weeks. And that’s where it went wrong, according to the blood tests. The doctors examined the guy in September, but decided to just observe for a few months. A damaged axis often just needs time to recover. But when the doctors examined the bodybuilder’s blood again in January 2009, there had been hardly any improvement.

The doctors decided to treat the guy with the GnRH analogue triptorelin. GnRH is a hormone that consists of only 10 amino acids. It is produced in the brain by the hypothalamus and stimulates the production of FSH and LH by the pituitary gland. The hormones travel in the blood to the sex glands, where they get these to produce testosterone.

The bodybuilder responded immediately to the hormone treatment. Within several minutes the concentration of LH and FSH in his blood had risen.

The doctors saw the bodybuilder 10 days later. His energy had returned and the testosterone concentration in his blood had risen to 7 ng/ml. Another three weeks later, his testosterone level was still normal, and his libido had returned too.

 

[apr1989]

Dr. Scally what do you recommend I do for an HPTA restart? How can I best utilize my Decapeptyl triptorelin, HCG, clomid, toremifene, nolvadex, and arimidex? Can you recommend the best usage of these? I never took steroids and have been shut down for a few months now. Should I use HCG before the triptorelin and then start a serm after? How much HCG should I use and how much of each serm? I know the triptorelin shot is always 100mcg.

 

[strengthv2]

Read my testimony

 

[toolman]

looks to me like you're on the right track.

do 2 weeks of hcg, followed by the triptorelin (I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TRIPTORELIN)

followed by clomid at 25 mg ED combined with toremifene 60 mg ED.

get exemestane on hand and use 12.5 mg MWF

get bloods one month into these, and post the results, you can go from there.

i would expect your estrogen to raise along with test so at that point adding more exemestane might be good, and by then you can probably drop the clomid to 12.5

I love this, typical internet parrot...advises to follow with a drug that they say they know nothing about...classic! At least he is honest.

 

[foreveryoung]

I love this, typical internet parrot...advises to follow with a drug that they say they know nothing about...classic! At least he is honest.

that drives me crazy too, so much of it the signal to noise ratio is off the charts on steroid and trt forums

 

[toolman]

that drives me crazy too, so much of it the signal to noise ratio is off the charts on steroid and trt forums

I used to cruise the steroid forums but just got so sick of all the bad advice being given and parroted. The cycles so many kids are doing are crazy stacks and I guarantee most of them will lose a lot of those gains, including the gains that aren't water retention. YOU se a guy a newbie and a month later he is giving stack advice on the same meds he was asking about 4-8 weeks earlier. Rather than get into flaming wars I just decided to stop getting pissed and turn off the chatter. I don't cycle, haven't for many, many years. Too wise now, but probably on TRT due to the early usage and my own youthful ignorance at the time...