Did the patch for about 6 mts. It was good at first but eventually caused skin irritation even with site rotation . More of a pain in the ass than gel. But not as much as the Pin. lol
Yeah, but you were using the patch as a sublingual. [)]
Eventually, I'll get around to it. But I'm not too enthusiastic about having something glued to my skin all day. OTOH, if I were having problems getting other TRT protocols to work right, I'd be in a bigger hurry to try it.
Pros:
Steady T levels and subsequent minimal and steady E2 response.
Ease of use - rotate application sites to avoid skin irritation.
Cons:
If your Free T requirements are high, the patch might not be able to get you there. It can only get your Total T into the 500s/600s. IIRC.
You're wearing a patch stuck to your skin and all the inconvenience issues that come along with it. Like if you go to the gym and need to shower afterwards.
Eventually, I'll get around to it. But I'm not too enthusiastic about having something glued to my skin all day. OTOH, if I were having problems getting other TRT protocols to work right, I'd be in a bigger hurry to try it.
Pros:
Steady T levels and subsequent minimal and steady E2 response.
Ease of use - rotate application sites to avoid skin irritation.
Cons:
If your Free T requirements are high, the patch might not be able to get you there. It can only get your Total T into the 500s/600s. IIRC.
You're wearing a patch stuck to your skin and all the inconvenience issues that come along with it. Like if you go to the gym and need to shower afterwards.
If yur talkin to me, I am not sure where you got the notion. I think a PATCH is the best thing since sliced bread and ESPECIALLY AS COMPARED TO CREAMS... I just cant get them cause my insurance has made me a BITCH....
I dont know if you have ever seen a patch, or used one. I have not used one but seen one brand. THEY STICK LIKE A BASTARD FROM HELL. And who gives a shit about whats planted on your hip in the shower. But the one I saw you AINT getting off without a prybar. LOL. And confrimed by the user. FYI, if they made nicotine patches like this they might actually work.....
Seen, not used.
Some guys wouldnt want to play 20-questions after been seen in the shower/locker with a patch on their skin.
Glue that's too strong is just about the opposite end of the same problem as glue that's too weak, do you think?
Where is one supposed to put it? Lower back? Hip? I assume non-hairy area...
Yeah, I was talking to you... I've seen in several posts where you seem to like the patch. Why is it the best thing since sliced bread? That's what im asking
If you want a steady state with minimal E2 and Hematocrit than pellets are the way to go imo. I never did the patch, but did gels and my levels were all over the place with E2 up to 95 and high hematocrit.
I had 12 pellets injected in December and 4 weeks after injection my total T was 920 and E2 was down to 62
12 weeks after pellets total T was 650 and E2 30 and hematocrit 47
I have not had number that good ever on gels.
I will get tested again at 16 weeks.
Doctor says he won't implant pellets until I'm under 600, but I won't bother until I'm under 500.
It looks like for me, every 4 months will do the trick. I don't mind 3 times a year having pellets injected under my skin.
Back, stomach (I wouldnt do this), upper arms, thighs, hip.
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Steady delivery is the best and only way to fly. The patch achieves this WITHOUT OVERKILLING AT ANY POINT far surpassing any other means with regard to this. Not even pellets can deliver this steady, and are a steady downhill decent into "lowsville" again. With patches, you are still re-applying on a daily basis, yet it is an all day delivery. The only negative I forcast is the potential to put it in a place where it may get rubbed or pressed incidentally by circumstance. Thus accidentally causing increases in output...
Steady delivery mimics the body's supply curve. I posted/commented on a thread with study proving supply in males does not vary throughout the day. With men, there is no change really from day to day in DEMANDED USAGE, unless someone is making extreme conscious change in routine and diet. INFLUXES in SERUM COUNT in the morning appear to be the result of overnight LACK OF USE, and not increased supply during the AM. The absurdity of the existing notion is proved by the fact that testosterone is a hormone which services human metabolic action. No one runs a mile in their sleep.