Opinions on Masteron in a growth phase

[PaintDrinker]

So much for "mast makes you flat and empty" , some people are so used to the waterbag effects of hi-test, deca and orals that cannot discern water weight and tissue gains anymore. For reference how tall are you? 5'9" - 5'1" if I had to eyeball. Also how you felt with master higher than test libido wise?

I’m actually a little over 6’1 but my libido is insane on any amount of mast no matter what my test is at. Yea I don’t get the whole it makes you flat it doesn’t grow muscle blah fucking blah lol I run it high in every cycle and make consistent progress. I get that people respond differently but if you have everything dialed in it makes a clear difference having mast in the equation.

 

[PaintDrinker]

Agreed. A mg of one anabolic is not just a mg of another.

I may even say mast is half the strength of test

I would agree with that, half the strength but with a fantastic cosmetic effect that testosterone doesn’t provide as well as an extremely high sense of well being. For me anyway

 

[PaintDrinker]

@SILVERBACK1910 heres a more recent pic approaching 240 chest pump test/mast cycle

 

[jdubzzz44]

@SILVERBACK1910 heres a more recent pic approaching 240 chest pump test/mast cycleView attachment 279876

We have similar build but I’m a little taller curious have you tried eq before? I seem to respond better to eq than mast personally but may just be an individual response seems everyone is a little different

 

[SILVERBACK1910]

I’m actually a little over 6’1 but my libido is insane on any amount of mast no matter what my test is at. Yea I don’t get the whole it makes you flat it doesn’t grow muscle blah fucking blah lol I run it high in every cycle and make consistent progress. I get that people respond differently but if you have everything dialed in it makes a clear difference having mast in the equation.

After my gyno surgery I will start from my TRT dose, as in 200 mg then titrate up it till I can tolerate it without any A.I. or SERM (don't wanna/won't run either of em), then accordingly the bloodwork I will add in masteron enanthate and raise it every 2.5 - 3 weeks till I reach a maximum dose I can tolerate without lipids / prostate / estrogen levels being impacted negatively. Same goes for hgh and insulin. Once the "sustainable" stack is layed out, I will run it "indefinitely".

The goal is to don't go over 1000 mg total of AAS, and maximum 5-6 ius hgh / 10 iu lantus. No orals and no other exotic stuff.

I would agree with that, half the strength but with a fantastic cosmetic effect that testosterone doesn’t provide as well as an extremely high sense of well being. For me anyway

People are so stuck on the harsher compounds and fast results that don't wanna consider that in the end, the total load of AAS is what is enhancing our bodies. Harm reduction and minimizing side effects should be a priority, if you have to be miserable and unhealthy on cycle, especially on a bulk/push phase, you won't last long. And the sides can lead to very unpleasant health issues.

@SILVERBACK1910 heres a more recent pic approaching 240 chest pump test/mast cycleView attachment 279876

Looking full and lean, and legs seems to be up there in terms of balance.

What else could you ask more for in a bulk?

But hey "masteron doesn't grow tissue" .

 

[SILVERBACK1910]

@SILVERBACK1910 heres a more recent pic approaching 240 chest pump test/mast cycleView attachment 279876

We have similar build but I’m a little taller curious have you tried eq before? I seem to respond better to eq than mast personally but may just be an individual response seems everyone is a little different

Not to sound harsh but let's keep this thread about test/mast (and hgh + slin eventually maybe in the future) there are dozens of threads on EQ and DHB.

 

[PaintDrinker]

Looking full and lean, and legs seems to be up there in terms of balance.

What else could you ask more for in a bulk?

But hey "masteron doesn't grow tissue" .

Thanks man but yea I typically stay between 12-15% on a bulk, and I can get an extremely full look on mast as long as my carbs are high. It’s not like Masteron magically just makes carbs ineffective lol. I like your harm reduction approach to not going over 1g total androgen load and utilizing slin/gh as an alternative anabolic pathway. I typically use novo rapid pre and post. I’m actually very sensitive to insulin so most of the time I don’t even need it until later in my cycle, although I always use 10-15 IU pwo just because my diet structure has 250carbs pre.

My biggest issue is biceps they aren’t small by any means roughly 18.5 but my shoulders are so damn big it makes the biceps look small.

 

[SILVERBACK1910]

Thanks man but yea I typically stay between 12-15% on a bulk, and I can get an extremely full look on mast as long as my carbs are high. It’s not like Masteron magically just makes carbs ineffective lol. I like your harm reduction approach to not going over 1g total androgen load and utilizing slin/gh as an alternative anabolic pathway. I typically use novo rapid pre and post. I’m actually very sensitive to insulin so most of the time I don’t even need it until later in my cycle, although I always use 10-15 IU pwo just because my diet structure has 250carbs pre.

My biggest issue is biceps they aren’t small by any means roughly 18.5 but my shoulders are so damn big it makes the biceps look small.

With how much knowledge we have available nowdays it's foolish to chase old cycles designs that are a guaranteed fuckup healthwise in the long run. What kills body builders/gym rats is ignorance and lack of will into spending time and money in health management, otc supps, checkups, etc.

In regards to insulin I am still studying it but the theory is long acting in the high carbs days (training days) and a small fast acting dose pre-post wo (4-5 ius max pre and then post) but gotta learn to manage the time windows and check blood glucose closely cause even at low doses insulin can overlap and cause hypo episodes. I rather get to my goal in a slow and steady way than a fast rise concerned daily about issues cause I couldn't bother into learning a different approach.

People try to use gear to compensate lack of adherence and consistency, when they could get results with less gear, more quality food and training balls to the walls.

12-15% ? You look leaner than that. Also biceps for people with long arms and a squared bicep (welcome to the club) are a curse cause they won't look "big" until you get into the 18-19 inches ballpark, but once you find those 3-4 excercises that really focus on them (subjective) they will catch up. To me arms day is always the first day and I train them with calves, weak parts need a separate session unless you're a genetic phenomenon.

 

[SILVERBACK1910]

Thanks man but yea I typically stay between 12-15% on a bulk, and I can get an extremely full look on mast as long as my carbs are high. It’s not like Masteron magically just makes carbs ineffective lol. I like your harm reduction approach to not going over 1g total androgen load and utilizing slin/gh as an alternative anabolic pathway. I typically use novo rapid pre and post. I’m actually very sensitive to insulin so most of the time I don’t even need it until later in my cycle, although I always use 10-15 IU pwo just because my diet structure has 250carbs pre.

My biggest issue is biceps they aren’t small by any means roughly 18.5 but my shoulders are so damn big it makes the biceps look small.

You're 1.5 inches shy of "head sized" arms (50.8 cms / 20 inches) so keep digging, those extra inches really make a night and day diff on a long limb arm, and you're still sub-240 lbs, I can affirm that at this rate you can get there staying in the 240-245 lbs range.