MESO-Rx Exclusive The Most Effective Growth Hormone Protocol for Hypertrophy

[DragoT]

It's for anti-aging purpose. Her GH dose won't be more than 2iu and I already talked to her about it.

Right, nothing sinister here, rather admirable I can say! Yet... if a 50y old male have (by virtue of symptoms) have prostate issues which might be BPH (benign prostatic hyperplasia) i.e. non-cancerous, or even worst, prostate cancer already, and PSA above reference range, would you still recommend testosterone in supranatural or even TRT quantity because said man will "look good, lean and muscular"?

All I am saying - when you play with fire you better have bucket of water nearby...

 

[bob hughes]

It's for anti-aging purpose. Her GH dose won't be more than 2iu and I already talked to her about it.

Everyone's different though, I could barely tolerate 3 iu, and went down to 2 iu. 4 iu put my blood pressure in truly dangerous ground, and 3 iu put it in unacceptable range for longer term use. So I guess just don't assume bc u can handle it that she can. It's your moms bro

 

[Roco Bama]

Everyone's different though, I could barely tolerate 3 iu, and went down to 2 iu. 4 iu put my blood pressure in truly dangerous ground, and 3 iu put it in unacceptable range for longer term use. So I guess just don't assume bc u can handle it that she can. It's your moms bro

Thanks for your helpful info bro. I'll start her off with 1iu for the first 2 weeks then slowly ramp it up to 2iu. She'll also inform her doctor that she's on GH replacement therapy.

 

[ChestRockwell]

Very interesting point you made about the importance of using pharmaceutical GH with its rigorous standards instead of generics, despite generics scoring well on serum GH and igf1 testing due to the impurities and by-products. Do you feel that Chinese pharmaceutical GH like say, Ansomone is on par with or not too far behind humatrope, genotropin, Etc? Those humas and genos are not cheap and there's tons of fakes out there.. excellent article by the way..

I would still exercise caution as the rate of counterfeiting in these types of brands is quite high. And even those brands that could be considered of high production standards do not go through the rigorous and expensive safety tests that are required for FDA approval.

If an individual can not obtain affordable access to FDA approved rHGH, in most cases I would just urge them to spend their hard earned money elsewhere. There are very few cases where GH is going to be required for any reason.

 

[ChestRockwell]

@ChestRockwell Is there a bottom line in terms of fat loss when comes to long term exogenous HGH administration? As I have mentioned before, I do take it for 19 months already (while try not to exceed IGF-1 reference range) and combined with very clean nutrition diet and non-bodybuilding exercise routine my BF is currently 9.1% (calipers). At this point I am not sure what is the main contributing factor - HGH or diet or combination of both. Comprehensive blood work is excellent at this point.

I guess intentionally or not I have become a "test subject" in a non scientific study for both "long term use" and "non-Pharma use"... Will keep y'all posted for sure...

Not entirely clear on the question - are you asking if there is a point where rHGH no longer contributes to fat loss or?

EDIT: I read the follow-up conversation and believe that is exactly what you are asking.

Growth hormone will always stimulate lipolysis, it is how the compound works. As with anything though, there will come a point where external variables must change to stimulate further results. As everyone knows, the amount of mass an organism carries is a result of energy balance. So either one side or the other must be manipulated.

With that said, I also agree that your current levels of body fat are impressively low.

 

[ChestRockwell]

It's for anti-aging purpose.

Which just so happens to be the article I'm working on currently...

 

[DragoT]

Not entirely clear on the question - are you asking if there is a point where rHGH no longer contributes to fat loss or?

Pretty much - Yes. Assuming one eats at maintenance where the nutrition intake is well balanced, with moderate exercise routine to maintain muscle mass (which any elderly should do )... Will HGH continue it's lipolysis activation properties indefinitely or at some point the body will activate self preservation mechanisms as it does in cases severe caloric deficit or malnutrition ?

I am getting to the point to where while excited by the shredded look (as there is anyone besides my wife out here to enjoy it) I am thinking of long term low BF effect on my otherwise aging body.

 

[ChestRockwell]

Pretty much - Yes. Assuming one eats at maintenance where the nutrition intake is well balanced, with moderate exercise routine to maintain muscle mass (which any elderly should do )... Will HGH continue it's lipolysis activation properties indefinitely or at some point the body will activate self preservation mechanisms as it does in cases severe caloric deficit or malnutrition ?

I am getting to the point to where while excited by the shredded look (as there is anyone besides my wife out here to enjoy it) I am thinking of long term low BF effect on my otherwise aging body.

There will be a point where your body reaches a form of homeostasis (i.e. as lean as it will become based upon GH dose, food intake, energy expended). To elicit further "progress", you will need to make a change to one of these variables. This does not mean that GH stops triggering lipolysis, however.

Another way to think about this - if you dropped GH from the equation, yet did not change energy in or energy out, you would gain a bit of mass.

 

[DragoT]

Thank you, Sir. Very informative input. I am sure all members of the community greatly appreciate the work you do!

 

[Romulus]

I'm trying to find confirmation that exogenous GH will completely (albeit temporarily) shut down endogenous production. I mean, if one low-doses morning and mid-day (say 1.2-1.5iu), and shortens the refrac period with insulin, is it unrealistic to expect any natural nighttime pulse? If so, obviously, I'll change dosing to include a before-bed dose. But if I can still get that natty nighttime pulse, that's free pharma+ grade on top of my expensive exogenous daily load. Great info, thank you!

 

[ChestRockwell]

I'm trying to find confirmation that exogenous GH will completely (albeit temporarily) shut down endogenous production. I mean, if one low-doses morning and mid-day (say 1.2-1.5iu), and shortens the refrac period with insulin, is it unrealistic to expect any natural nighttime pulse? If so, obviously, I'll change dosing to include a before-bed dose. But if I can still get that natty nighttime pulse, that's free pharma+ grade on top of my expensive exogenous daily load. Great info, thank you!

Actually, this is great timing. @Millard Baker will be posting my article on evening pulses and what happens when exogenous GH is taken this week...

Spoiler alert - when one takes rHGH, the evening pulse will all but be suppressed in most cases.

 

[Romulus]

Thank you, sir. I've read a lot of your stuff, and just listened to your podcasts with "Wolf?" yesterday. In the second, you started to answer that yes it would suppress you for 24-36hrs but then he immediately interrupted you (as he did often). Thanks again. Can't wait for the article!

 

[Giveitago]

Thank you, sir. I've read a lot of your stuff, and just listened to your podcasts with "Wolf?" yesterday. In the second, you started to answer that yes it would suppress you for 24-36hrs but then he immediately interrupted you (as he did often). Thanks again. Can't wait for the article!

What’s the name of this podcast, I’d love to listen?

 

[Romulus]

What’s the name of this podcast, I’d love to listen?

Good stuff!

 

[Giveitago]

Good stuff!

Awesome, thank you!!!

 

[Romulus]

I have been searching high and low for something Chest wrote on dieting, advocating 5 days of dieting with 2 days of eating more (or 10 days of deficit with 2 days of eucaloric). I know I read about it, but can't find it now for anything. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

 

[ChestRockwell]

Here is a good write-up by the Missus that touches on how calorie shifting impacts us at a hormonal level: How Reverse Dieting Can Negatively Impact Bingeing «

 

[TRT]

@ChestRockwell
Sorry just saw someone saw you talk about this stuff on a podcast? Where's that at? I wouldn't mind listening.

 

[ChestRockwell]

@ChestRockwell
Sorry just saw someone saw you talk about this stuff on a podcast? Where's that at? I wouldn't mind listening.

If you scroll back a few posts, they were posted...

 

[TRT]

Wow. Can you say Dumbass! Lol
Not one of my smarter moments. Then again I didn't know you existed till about 6 months ago and didn't take real interest in you till a few weeks after that when someone posted a link to an article you wrote.
Thanks.