THE new "Generic" HGH Assay PAGE! AAA testing

[muscle96ss]

It doesn't help when you have forums that delete posts to protect sponsors and that's no reflection on you M96. ASF and IMF are notorious for just doing that at one time (not sure if they still do, I don't waste anytime there now).

I agree, and thats one of the reasons that testing is so important. Its the only way we can protect ourselves.

 

[Sdryx]

The only people that should be embarrassed are the people trying to dismantle this testing.

If you aren't happy, start a new thread and do it YOUR FUCKING SELF!

 

[Dr JIM]

Meso used to be one of the more popular source boards back in the early 2000's.

I don't know if this is true and Millard could clarify BUT I "heard or read" many of the sources "left Meso" after analytical data revealed a considerable portion of what was being sold was markedly underdosed AAS?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

It's embarrassing to even be associated with this board imo.

And THAT ^^^ was the goal of the ProMuscle trolls. A job well done!

Maybe Andrei will give them a bottle of Balkan gear as thanks for their hard work.

 

[G.I. Bro]

So again we have entered in another vortex of accusations, personal attacks, faint rapprochement, rinse, repeat.

But one question has not been posed or addressed...

If the testing methodology by Jim et al. is flawed and theorized to produce under dosed results... What is the explanation for samples No. 15, 17, & 19? All three samples produced results that fall within acceptable ranges for their labeled/advertised contents (10iu) 10.60iu, 9.70iu, & 9.80iu, respectively.

Refer to Generic HGH Assays for links to each sample report by Jim.

Are they just outliers? anomalies? a stroke of luck where the technician performed the test properly ? overdosed 25%+/-?

Or is this debate just a rigorous exercise in futility and the reports are indeed accurate? Is it a far stretch of the imagination to assume that cost engineering is being done in the production end to squeeze that little extra bit of profit?

These "generics" aren't being produced for a market with "legitimate" clients i.e children with deficiencies, patients with wasting disorders... the manufacturers know full well who their market is for.... vain, narcissistic, muscle bound meatheads who are destined to develop insulin resistance due to abuse of their products.

I doubt anyone is losing sleep by cutting a few corners... they might actually think they are doing us a favor lol.

Hmmmm.. I struggle to decide what may be the reality.... I guess we'll see if and when the Pharma product results are released.

Good points, productive post. Moving the ball forward. More of this please, less of the other.

Jim you and muscle96ss are both extremely valuable members to the entire community. I wish you guys could just chill, set aside your differences and work together. I think we can all agree no testing methodology is perfect or flawless. PMs tests (SIMEC) got kind of fucked too. It was obvious and that's an accredited lab, so mistakes do happen trying to test gh. Often, because nobody seems to be able to do it right. Maybe these have issues or maybe they are perfect and some of these brands truly are underdosed. Questions are not accusations, they are simply questions. We're all on the same team. Jim your tone with everyone is always so dismissive, you create a lot of the drama and friction with how you handle people making valid points and asking questions. This isn't PM. Instead of deleted posts and dismissing people, we should be hashing it out, talking and discussing possibilities. I've yet to see you explain, in layman's terms, to us idiot plebs how you're so certain these tests aren't resulting in some variances showing underdosing. Explain to us why we're so fucking stupid if it's that simple. I'm being genuine because I know nothing about AAA testing. But all I see is circular arguments.

 

[muscle96ss]

If you're so convinced that TP is getting his GH from a licensed pharmaceutical manufacturer in China; one that, according to you, is routinely audited by the government to ensure quality, there shouldn't be any need for testing the product, should there?

I mean, you don't have the prescriptions you pick up from Walgreen's analyzed, do you? Yet here you are, leading the charge for testing TP's GH. Your argument is absurd.

How am I leading the charge for testing of TP's GH? He is the one that said that he is committed to providing and proving he has a quaity product; and that he wants to be participate in each round of testing we do. He has stated that he will pay the bill as well for the testing of any of his products. But I have never asked anybody here to test his GH, not sure what you are alluding too.

 

[muscle96ss]

Link it.

Its in the lab testing forum, not allowed to link it.

 

[muscle96ss]

I don't know if this is true and Millard could clarify BUT I "heard or read" many of the sources "left Meso" after analytical data revealed a considerable portion of what was being sold was markedly underdosed AAS?

I don't remember any of that but it was a long time ago so I am sure its possible. However, back then there weren't many UGL's. It was all mexican, eurpoean, and american products; loads of back door steris labs stuff.

 

[rpbb]

It's embarrassing to even be associated with this board imo.

than leave

 

[Dr JIM]

I agree, and thats one of the reasons that testing is so important. Its the only way we can protect ourselves.

Then why have you been leading the pack criticizing every one of
our GH threads but have absolutely no problem supporting less than convincing HPLCS from a empiric perspective on PM?

Let me tell you I've literally bent over backwards trying to appease your request for "proof"
on ALL of our GH threads yet you
remain a defiant naysayer upon departure.

The data is faulty, the datas not accurate bla, bla, bla. No way I could make those statements on PM about YOUR HPLCS but on Meso since it's allowable, you more than anyone, abuse the privilege of visiting an uncensored board!

And kid yourself not many Meso members see the hypocrisy in your actions rather than believe in such words of BB protectionism.

Heck I've posted more evidence in one sample on that second thread than you and Janoe have done with FIVE HPLCS,
but your partly line remained the same, BAD DATA.

So yea "we" need to test but can only "trust" MH, some tech with a refurbished HPLC and data on PM, right!

 

[rpbb]

Its in the lab testing forum, not allowed to link it.

here we go again, you want us to work together, but can't show any data from PM. that's where you lose credibility

 

[muscle96ss]

here we go again, you want us to work together, but can't show any data from PM. that's where you lose credibility

I have offered to email it to Jim privately and if you have something you think you can contribute to the analysis I will be happy to send it to you as well. However, I did not pay for the tests myself and it is not my property to post publicly. I don't make the rules.

 

[muscle96ss]

Then why have you been leading the pack criticizing every one of
our GH threads but have absolutely no problem supporting less than convincing HPLCS from a empiric perspective on PM?

Let me tell you I've literally bent over backwards trying to appease your request for "proof"
on ALL of our GH threads yet you
remain a defiant naysayer upon departure.

The data is faulty, the datas not accurate bla, bla, bla. No way I could make those statements on PM about YOUR HPLCS but on Meso since it's allowable you more than anyone abuse the privilege of visiting an uncensored board!

Heck I've posted more evidence in one sample on that second thread than you and Janoe have done with FIVE HPLCS,
but your partly line remained the same, BAD DATA.

So yea "we" need to test but can only "trust" MH, some tech with a refurbished HPLC and data on PM, right!

Jim, the criticism comes from 2 aspects. Firstly, your lack of ability to have a serious discussion and answer questions. When it comes to the testing aspect, you are way more knowledgeable than I. However, when it comes to knowledge of the what goes on in the UG with the various brands of GH, I am far more knowledgeable than you. So when I see results that I know defy logic and common sense, my goal is to ask questions and try to understand so that we can make some sense of things. Unfortunately, I can never get a straight answer from you and have a normal discussion.

Secondly, you don't know me, yet you jump to conclusions that are totally false and make wild accusations that I have no choice but to defend. How am I supposed to respond when you accuse me of selling drugs and all the other things you have accused me of?

Why don't we just start over and keep things civil? Lets have actual discussions and talk about facts and issues, not personal attacks. Wouldn't it be more beneficial to the community? Mands has said that in real life, you are one of the nicest people he knows. To be honest, that is part of the reason that I am still here; because I know that you are here for the right reasons as opposed to how it appears via your posts.

 

[fastasf]

than leave

*then* you deep throating little faggot.

 

[fastasf]

And THAT ^^^ was the goal of the ProMuscle trolls. A job well done!

Maybe Andrei will give them a bottle of Balkan gear as thanks for their hard work.

It's just the way things are handled here CBS that make it embarrassing. There are some great guys here, yourself included. There are also some members who are "respected" that conduct themselves like complete jackasses and it's just a flat out embarrassment. @muscle96ss is not a source, does not have a monetary interest or otherwise in generic GH, and he isn't fabricating test results. It's just fucking exhausting reading the same shit over and over again.

 

[Dr JIM]

And I can go with Mr. Jeffrey Whiteaker, Ph.D., who is currently Director of Proteomics in the laboratory of Mandy Paulovich at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, WA, who states the same about ELISA in a *published article*

Poor Janeo still can't see the forest thru the trees can you, bc the difference, the PHD I've spoken with on many occasions is not only considered an expert in the field of laboratory science, he also ensures the requirements for certification are maintained.

So who is in charge of "YOUR LAB" Janeo, YOU, God forbid.

Now who is being "pretentious" fool!

 

[Big_paul]

I don't remember any of that but it was a long time ago so I am sure its possible. However, back then there weren't many UGL's. It was all mexican, eurpoean, and american products; loads of back door steris labs stuff.

Serious. It wasn't that long ago.

 

[Big_paul]

Poor Janeo still can't see the forest thru the trees can you, bc the difference, the PHD I've spoken with on many occasions is not only considered an expert in the field of laboratory science, he also ensures the requirements for certification are maintained.

Don't fuck with Dr JIm. Just don't fucking do it okay.

 

[janoshik]

You should know, Jane. You and your boyfriend couldn't even agree on where you're located - the UK or the Czech Republic.

I won't even address the fact that you posted a pic of the wrong mass spec machine when you attempted to defend your forged AAS assay. I suppose 40+ years of humiliation by the Russian bear tends to leave one confused. Carry on, Tоварищ. LMFAO

1. You've never ever talked to my partner and you don't have any knowledge about the partner, as we don't even really work together too much anymore

2. I was never ever in my life in the UK.

3. I did not ever post a picture of any mass spectrometer on this forum. You probably have one chromosome extra, but well, I'll take my time with you.

4. The pictures were posted by xupc, who contacted me regarding the testing.

5. It's not a mass spec, not like uneducated prick like you would ever know the difference.

6. He literally posted "It should be noted that the spectofotometry machine outputs blinking numbers (they look like this http://chemwiki.ucdavis.edu/@api/deki/files/8472/Spc20Blnk.gif) that you"

So the guy posts AN EXAMPLE MACHINE FROM WIKIPEDIA. A PICTURE OF EXAMPLE OF SPECTROPHOTOMETRIC MACHINE - SO YOU CAN SEE IT FIRST TIME IN YOUR LIFE.

LITERALLY THE FIRST PICTURE THAT GOOGLE PROBABLY SPAT OUT.

7. CBS (cretinous bullshit spammer) and JIM think that's my lab WHILE IT WAS NEVER STATED SO BY ANYBODY BUT HIM AND JIM. It takes a special kind of retard to think that and to think that my lab is on wikipedia, haha.

8. ALSO, Cretinous Bullshit Spammer proves he is retarded again in this mere post:
UK GENTECH LABS where he shows he is even uncabable of understanding the DATE system.

9. I don't think I have to add I was never associated with the lab and never supported it, just stood past my results. If anybody can find anywhere where I shilled for this lab I'll send him a cookie.



There are also other GEMS to be found in that thread from JIM, like:
"Sorry mate but although PHOTOSPEC or GS/MS are quite useful to identify sample compounds NONE are capable of sample QUANTIFICATION!" - no comment, just lol

"You just can't slam all that crap into a Spec and obtain results, the constituents MUST first be isolated into individual compounds and then run SEPARATELY." - he seems to no have ever heard of chromatography being a separation technique, haha

"If you just run an oil with the BA, NaB, Tren-A and a monoglyceride in a MS the fragments will form dimers trimers and sodium adducts for sure. Now that's excluding any other adulterants EVERY UGL uses in their formulation.

How odd is it NO sodium adducts or adulterants were detected, only those substances that were likely listed on the vial labeling.." - sodium in oils? where exactly? you put table salt in your injectables JIM? that would explain a lot of stuff going on with your brain

Chemistry 101, failed again by JIM.

Do you want me to quote him in another thread, where he says the MS is awesome for quantitation? Or do you want me to quote you about 500000 publications from REAL SCIENTISTS unlike JIM, who USE MS for Uv/VIS for quantitation?


Come at this you little a-hole, I'll enjoy it.

It's cool that you got a pic with JIM, which one it who?

Totally ignored that, didn't he? I suppose we should cut Jane some slack though. The poor boy can't even decide if he's in the UK or Czech Republic so getting tripped up by posting the wrong mass spec machine seems understandable. Lmao

See up, little doggie.

Wow how profound!

The most reliable QUAlITATIVE assay is one that evaluates the SUM OF A MOLECULAR STRUCTURES PARTS, while
the most reliable QUANTITATIVE assay evaluates a molecular structures components separately IF POSSIBLE!

Of course I don't expect you to understand or appreciate those words but that JANEO is CHEMISTRY 101,
something YOU never learned OTJ, lol!

Try forming a coherent sentence you uneducated fuck.

What you wrote is mess both gramatically both factually and has no basis in truth.

Forming coherent sentences is kinda a requirement to get into and pass the med school, which again makes me wonder...

The only people that should be embarrassed are the people trying to dismantle this testing.

If you aren't happy, start a new thread and do it YOUR FUCKING SELF!

I'll make a thread saying you are dickless... And don't you dare to post there! If you disagree measure your dick by YOURSELF and START A NEW THREAD. Or better off LEAVE.

Then why have you been leading the pack criticizing every one of
our GH threads but have absolutely no problem supporting less than convincing HPLCS from a empiric perspective on PM?

Let me tell you I've literally bent over backwards trying to appease your request for "proof"
on ALL of our GH threads yet you
remain a defiant naysayer upon departure.

The data is faulty, the datas not accurate bla, bla, bla. No way I could make those statements on PM about YOUR HPLCS but on Meso since it's allowable, you more than anyone, abuse the privilege of visiting an uncensored board!

And kid yourself not many Meso members see the hypocrisy in your actions rather than believe in such words of BB protectionism.

Heck I've posted more evidence in one sample on that second thread than you and Janoe have done with FIVE HPLCS,
but your partly line remained the same, BAD DATA.

So yea "we" need to test but can only "trust" MH, some tech with a refurbished HPLC and data on PM, right!

>5 hplcs
JIM being at it in maths again.

Also your evidence... I don't know, it kinda lacks the 'evidence' part.

Also MY LINE WAS NOT BAD DATA. I am not as retarded to claim that without ANY EVIDENCE - SOMETHING WHAT YOU DO ALL THE TIME (which makes you a retard I guess?).

My line is that you are a liar and an uneducated ass.

Something for you, Mr. JIM again, as you keep forgetting to respond to this:
"Generic" GH ASSAYS
"Generic" GH ASSAYS
"Generic" GH ASSAYS

Also, the HPLC is brand new, thank you.

Poor Janeo still can't see the forest thru the trees can you, bc the difference, the PHD I've spoken with on many occasions is not only considered an expert in the field of laboratory science, he also ensures the requirements for certification are maintained.

So who is in charge of "YOUR LAB" Janeo, YOU, God forbid.

Now who is being "pretentious" fool!

Sorry, can't hear you, just got off the phone with Mr. President.

Don't fuck with Dr JIm. Just don't fucking do it okay.

He cries in his sleep because of that?

 

[heady muscle]

It's embarrassing to even be associated with this board imo.

Some days.