THE new "Generic" HGH Assay PAGE! AAA testing

[janoshik]

"Bioanalysis is a sub-discipline of analytical chemistry covering the quantitative measurement"

Clinical usefullness of the assay comes from it being useful for analytical purposes, just as the logic dictates. If it was a bad analytical tool, it wouldn't be used in the MOST SENSITIVE applications - which healthcare certainly is. And ELISA is the TRUE gold standard there.

No need to cite anything for that.

 

[janoshik]

Or do you not consider healthcare to be sensitive enough application, Mr. JIM?

 

[mands]

That still quite contradicts another of JIMs bombastic claims, though:
"Finally with a margin of error of around 0.1% it's considerably less sensitive and/or specific than an AAA!" (talking about HPLC, stating that AAA has margin of error less than 0.1%)

I don't recall that claim.

And the HPLC testing was done by a university lab not by JIM. He can confirm that I believe.

And by the way didn't Karl's gh meet label claims and 98% purity when we tested hplc/ms and we got slammed for that as well.lol

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

I did no such thing

Also you keep using that word molecular rather melodramatically.

Also, if I recall correctly, you did HPLC testing of your own - have you used a 'certified molecular standard'? Where exactly did you get it? An amateur like me might be interested in getting it, so please, share the wealth to prove your superiority



That still quite contradicts another of JIMs bombastic claims, though:
"Finally with a margin of error of around 0.1% it's considerably less sensitive and/or specific than an AAA!" (talking about HPLC, stating that AAA has margin of error less than 0.1%)

ALL of this nonsense would be settled if you would post the DATA IVE REQUESTED JANO!

We can argue the sensitivity and specificity of assay Y vs assay X until the cows come home but bc such discussions have absolutely NOTHING to do with the accuracy of the results I or you have posted, WHAT'S YOUR POINT!

I've listed the evidence for our results and they far exceed anything you have posted, SO WHAT'S THE POINT

There's nothing to discuss unless your willing to cite the list I asked for and yea that would include the STANDARD you used, SO AGAIN WHATS YOUR POINT JANEO!

DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION that's all you want to do or are interested in!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I did no such thing

That's because you didn't use any standard. Garbage in, garbage out. Right, Janeshit?

 

[Dr JIM]

Or do you not consider healthcare to be sensitive enough application, Mr. JIM?

MH I'd like you or ANYONE else to cite an ELISA publication on it's usefulness from an analytical rather than an clinical perspective.

I'm not saying it can't be used for GH testing, bc it IS what most labs use to determine
one's serum GH level BUT bc this involves the use of antibodies that bind to a SPECIFIC PORTION of the GH molecule, ELISA lacks the degree of specificity required for analytical research.

LC/MS is what most manufacturers use to determine the reliability of "their ELISA product" so using ELISA for developing an HPLC calibration curve is ass-backwards.

I mean heck that's like using generic GH as a baseline for PHARMA GH quantification.

SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT! DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION, DEFLECTION !

 

[Dr JIM]

That's because you didn't use any standard. Garbage in, garbage out. Right, Janeshit?

In the absence of a "high quality" research grade standard, that's EXACTLY what many assays will yield, garbage not worth the paper they are printed on! But Janeo can't inform me, Meso or PM members what standard, if any, was used for "his HPLCS"?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

In the absence of a "high quality" research grade standard, that's EXACTLY what many assays will yield, garbage not worth the paper they are printed on! But Janeo can't inform me, Meso or PM members what standard, if any, was used for "his HPLCS"?

That's some pretty damn good generic GH PM is peddling. These high tech analyses prove it! And they only had to sacrifice one tiny sponsor, but at least they decided not to completely ruin his reputation by showing his GH was completely bunk, just 78%.

Got any questions about the technical stuff? Lmfao

 

[Dr JIM]

Then please explain why when samples are tested with Jano and his HPLC they come back with the correct amount of GH that they are supposed to and match other HPLC and other testing methods done on the same samples.

Yet, when your tests come back, the results are different than what they are supposed to be and different from what other non-Jano tests have come back as? Are you suggesting that everybody is wrong and you are the only one who is right?
.

Interesting how I've seen you refer to "your, our, or the sample data" on multiple occasions as if its REAL!

However unlike you, I believe scientific evidence is an OBJECTIVE "thing", rather than being analogous to one's faith fella. So yep if I can't see it, I don't believe it!

So if you want me or anyone else to ascertain WHY things don't quite "jive" from an evidence based perspective, it begins WITH COMPLETE COPIES OF ALL "these samples".
Ah pity as I'm still waiting on the 5 sample HPLC data, so I KNOW THAT WON'T HAPPEN.

Otherwise I'd be much more concerned about why their data doesn't "jive" with OURS, for the reasons I listed earlier!

Why don't you give a certified US based analytical lab, that prides itself on protein analysis a try, I think you'll soon discover whose results "don't jive" lol!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

2. I was never ever in my life in the UK.

Really? Didn't you insinuate on ProMuscle that your MD was from Oxford? Why, yes, you did.

Professional Muscle

 

[G.I. Bro]

Sent you a PM.

What's concerning to me is that a few people think the all samples are testing 20-25% under label claims. We have sample vials that tested right on the money. Does that mean they are over dosing their product by 20-25%?

Black Tops were only 1.3 iu's under over-fill claims. That's not 20-25%. That's like 9% With a margin of error for testing at 5% I'll take that all day long.

mands

Fair point...

But I'm confounded by why Ole Jimmy Boy keeps calling muscles96ss by "MH." lol

 

[muscle96ss]

1) Talk is cheap MH SHOW ME THE DATA that supports such comments

2) Really! And how close is "this match" ?

3) Other testing methods ……. such as

I mean give me a brake bc once again you are comparing "results" from non-US certified labs, using questionable or certainly NOT published methodologies and equipment, under the guise of under-qualified (or not declared) "techs" or employees AND I've no doubt many of these labs receive fully labeled samples.

[UT ONCE AGAIN YOU are comparing apples to oranges, yet only SEE apples OR oranges bc that's what you want to see!

For example:

1.) I have offered you the data a number of times. If you truly aren't creating a deflection, you will create a new email address or use yours; I could give a shit less which you choose. Then let me know what specifically you want and I will have Jano take out the personal information and forward it to you; he has everything on his computer. He can give you samples that overlap what you tested or he can give you everything; not sure what you really want. I believe he may even have some more recent tests as well that were done privately. I am not sure if he is willing to give you those as well, but that is a possibility.

2.) I would say within several percentage points.

3.) You and I both know that testing in the US is not legal and none of the testing(other than yours) has been done in the US. That really shouldn't make a difference considering none of the pharmaceutical companies produce their GH in the USA. So to think that the USA is the only place that can accurately test GH is ridiculous. The immunoassay performed was performed by a leader in the field for doing this type of testing and both licensed and accredited. You seem to keep ignoring this. In addition, there have been other tests performed in private and in a hostile environment. When I say hostile environment; what I mean is that the person who had the vials tested would actually benefit if the GH came back underdosed. The results actually showed the GH's to be properly dosed or overdosed. Like I said before, I have some experience in this area and actually know where some of these GH's are coming from and what their contents are.

I wish you would trust that I know what I am talking about and not trying to sabotage your testing. I have no financial interest in any of this other than to see people get what they paid for and not get ripped off. I could care less whether people use TP or brand X as long as they get a quality product that contains what its supposed to. In fact, there was a time a couple of years ago when I sent someone to PD and I wasn't satisfied with the quality of the product he received and PD's response. So I went at him and let him know my displeasure and we got it rectified. I will stand up for what I believe in and doing the right thing. And of course I am loyal to those that have shown that they actually care about their customers and do the right thing. Its not about being biased, its about praising and sticking with those that deserve it. For instance, I refer my patients to various different docs all the time. I refer them to docs that I know will treat them right and are knowledgeable and I steer them away from the many quacks out there(at least there are a ton here in AZ). Its not because I am getting a financial kickback from the docs; its because I actually give a shit and believe in the people I am recommending. Its the same way here. We have to look out for each other. So of course I am going to recommend guys I do business with myself and steer people away from scammers like MG/Kalatu. Hope this makes sense and you can be a little less paranoid about my motives here.

 

[muscle96ss]

Sent you a PM.

What's concerning to me is that a few people think the all samples are testing 20-25% under label claims. We have sample vials that tested right on the money. Does that mean they are over dosing their product by 20-25%?

Black Tops were only 1.3 iu's under over-fill claims. That's not 20-25%. That's like 9% With a margin of error for testing at 5% I'll take that all day long.

mands

I hear what you are saying, but on those that tested at 10iu, we don't what the seller actually claims is their contents. For instance, TP's 10iu black tops he actually claims to have 15iu and when Rips were on the market he claimed those to be overdosed as well(which testing showed was true). And as of recent a lot of sellers have been intentionally overdosing to get higher serum scores and compete in what has become a competitive market. Whether or not people agree with serum scores, you have to agree that the high serum scores improve sales. So just because some samples came back as being close to 10iu, doesn't mean that the value is necessarily correct. That is why the pharm sample is so important. Because if that comes back correct then I would have to agree that your testing is accurate. But by the same token, I would think that if the pharm sample comes back with a decent amount of error then you would have to agree that something is off.

 

[muscle96ss]

That's some pretty damn good generic GH PM is peddling. These high tech analyses prove it! And they only had to sacrifice one tiny sponsor, but at least they decided not to completely ruin his reputation by showing his GH was completely bunk, just 78%.

Got any questions about the technical stuff? Lmfao

Not sure what your point is or what you actually bring to the table with this discussion. You know nothing about the subject matter and have contributed nothing positive to the discussion yet. I keep trying to get this thread out of the gutter but its obvious that you want it there by your actions. The people here want and deserve the truth, so why don't you guys put your damn egos away and actually have a real discussion.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I keep trying to get this thread out of the gutter but its obvious that you want it there by your actions.

 

[Dr JIM]

1) It doesn't help when you have forums that delete posts to protect sponsors and that's no reflection on you M96.

2) I don't waste anytime there now).

1) WRONG @heady muscle bc although
"we must continue testing to protect ourselves", YOU needn't trouble yourself with such details and can focus on muscular development as the folk at PM have your "6" mate.

Oh yea these same guys who provide mods with censorship rules and guidelines to follow are going to conduct all the testing FOR YOU.

See it's a part of PMs full service" board few other forums can only envy.

So please pay no attention to what other forum s call "evidence based testing" bc we just can't have such "data" becoming a distraction for our sincere BB on PM

Right!

 

[Dr JIM]

Bottom line at PM we shall decide what IS and what is NOT
evidence based research, ESPECIALLY when the testing involves one of our sponsors PEDs, who's products have already been deemed in compliance with our strict analytical standards.

We apologize for the inconvenience but believe it necessary to censor unapproved analyses as anything else may result in not only confusion and unwarranted costs, but also jeopardize the health of our consumers..

Finally it's for the latter reason we at Pro Muscle believe everyone needs to be a "pro" yet still vehemently oppose the sale of AAS to ANY MALE under the age of fourteen and strictly forbid the sale of PEDs to any premenarchal FEMALE ..... In the absence of a "completed questionnaire".

"As always "be safe"!

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Seems odd that one of the organizers of the GH testing at PM would be thanking the sponsors for letting them test their product.

Professional Muscle

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

We apologize for the inconvenience but believe it necessary to censor unapproved analyses as anything else may result in not only confusion and unwarranted costs, but also jeopardize the health of our consumers..

It must be true. Jano's quality assurance and lab testing has been keeping athletes safe since 2013. Lmao

 

[CdnGuy]

Seems odd that one of the organizers of the GH testing at PM would be thanking the sponsors for letting them test their product.

Professional Muscle

But "without bias" Cbs....sounds legit to me