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Doc I thought you insinuated you weren't going to post any more data . I must have misunderstood you

No problem bc I posted a similar reply to @Mr.B66 several days ago and many didn't see it Im sure bc of the "banter"!
The testing done on PM was done by donation from the members with everything to be posted in the private lab testing forum that requires 50 posts to view. This section was created when Big A and Raj did the first lab tests on PM roughly 6 years ago. At the time it was created it was disclosed that anybody that removes anything from this section and posts it on another board will be permanently banned. Big A didn't want people who bitch and whine about how bad PM is to then hypocritically come and steal the information for their own use. I completely understand his reasoning and agree that if the members who paid for these tests choose not share it with others, than that is their right. However, even if I disagreed it would not matter because I don't have any say in the matter. You can sit here and complain to me all you want and keep telling me to post things, but I have no special powers. What you are asking me to do just isn't possible and I don't understand why you guys don't get it.

Secondly you are focusing on a complete diversion. The testing on PM is not what this thread is about. This thread is about determining what the contents are of various vials of GH. I have argued with Jim's prior testing for good reasons and this was before we had even done any testing on PM. This isn't about comparing PM versus Meso to see who is king of the hill. Jesus christ, what is wrong with you people? This is about getting things right. You have guys praising pharma GH and talking about how horrible generic GH is and ironically you have pharma GH at an affordable price staring you in the face and you guys are too fucking stupid to realize it.

Just more deflection bc no where have you highlighted an error in this data.

And I suspect part of the reason is your inability to understand the evidence before you, bc if that was the case you wouldn't have to mentioned; a GH thread conducted over one year ago, my motives for conducting "illegal testing", Pharma as the optimal standard, or comparing my data to yours, the latter being a literal unknown which is NOT available for public scrutiny (how convenient) etc, etc, etc.

The fact IS when you relied upon phantom data to compare to mine, and thereafter declared; "Jims data can not possibly be accurate", the former very much becomes an relevant point of discovery whether you like it or not. Stated another way; if you can't back it up don't bring it up!

In addition if you would have asked questions like anyone else who was truly interested, rather than taking pot shots at these assays, things might have been different, and heck MH you might have actually learned a thing or two "outside the gym".

But I always suspected the critical you would surface and that's exactly what happened, and that's a shame but it is what it is.
 
The testing done on PM was done by donation from the members with everything to be posted in the private lab testing forum that requires 50 posts to view.

The GH being tested here is by donation. I donated. Many others. Okay, I get you have no power over using PM's info here. Fine, but your defense is harmed by your lack of backing your claims up. If this testing was done six years ago, how long is the statue of limitations in re-posting this on another forum? If it was six years ago, why in the last few months did you post these results on every other forum (Such as AB) like they were recent results? I am not being a dick, I am just trying to add things up here. Because it does not compute. I have used PD's Greys for over a year now. I know they are not as potent as Seros, because the sides I get at different dosages from the two. I don't think anyone can argue that PD's Greys don't work, they do. You do need higher dosages. fine. It's not easy getting Pharma GH, believe me I get that.

"Big A didn't want people who bitch and whine about how bad PM is to then hypocritically come and steal the information for their own use." I am not sure why anyone would steal this for their own use if each sample is labeled on the study. I cannot see a benefit to stealing the info. But hey, sometimes I am a little slow.

This to me is not a MESO/PM pissing match. Only you Jano are here from PM arguing this case. I understand that you want to understand Dr. Jim's testing regime. Fine, me too. I am not saying he is infallible, I have no idea. Never meet the dude in real life. But I do think you getting permission to post PM's info side by side with Jim's would be more advantageous to assert which test is more accurate and where the downsides of each procedure is. If you look at any study with contradicting findings, they post them side by side with all the fun graphs and verbiage.

So if it's about getting things right as you say, then I would think anyone associated with the Donated Study over at PM, that is confident in the results that were produced there, would be exuberant to have them posted elsewhere.

I don't think your PM dick at all. You have some good things to say. Be it here at MESO or other forums where we both frequent. But if you were to step back and read what you have written in these threads, I think you would see yourself in the same image as many see you here.

And if anybody is creating diversion for Dr Jim, it's you. Stop antagonizing and maybe we can get some answers. And if Jim doesn't answer, then we can all come to our own conclusions. I hope most of us are grown up enough for that.

Do what you want, say what you want. You are allowed to here at MESO. Meso is far from Perfect. But you have a voice that cannot be censored. For almost any reason. Thanks to Millard for that.
 
Sir, I think the six years ago situation M96ss mentioned was explanation to the origin of some rules over at PM.com, not related to recent testing.

Hope this clears stuff up.

Also, mind that in the previous thread I was not the one to mention PM.com testing or the fact that I do any testing at all. It was mentioned as a diversion and the people responsible had successfuly made it the main topic since, in order to put me in the defensive.

I don't need... or want to understand the JIMs testing regime - I've done similar before. I got the idea.

Only thing that I pointed out were OBVIOUS LIES AND CONTRADICTIONS POSTED BY JIM. He didn't react to any of them, but guess when the shitstorm about testing on PM started? Wouldn't you call that a diversion?

You are correct, everybody can make their own conclusions.

Do you want me to make a list of quotations of him with all of his bullshit listed? I mean, again?
 
Sir, I think the six years ago situation M96ss mentioned was explanation to the origin of some rules over at PM.com, not related to recent testing.

Hope this clears stuff up.

Also, mind that in the previous thread I was not the one to mention PM.com testing or the fact that I do any testing at all. It was mentioned as a diversion and the people responsible had successfuly made it the main topic since, in order to put me in the defensive.

I don't need... or want to understand the JIMs testing regime - I've done similar before. I got the idea.

Only thing that I pointed out were OBVIOUS LIES AND CONTRADICTIONS POSTED BY JIM. He didn't react to any of them, but guess when the shitstorm about testing on PM started? Wouldn't you call that a diversion?

You are correct, everybody can make their own conclusions.

Do you want me to make a list of quotations of him with all of his bullshit listed? I mean, again?
since you can't post your data, anything you have to say is pointless. your whole line of comments have been nothing but a diversion. you've contributed nothing
 
and muscle has been exposed as a liar who will never believe the testing over here (has this pathological need to protect the greytops, wonder why), and you're trying to protect your testing business at all costs, wish you would both go away
 
and muscle has been exposed as a liar who will never believe the testing over here (has this pathological need to protect the greytops, wonder why), and you're trying to protect your testing business at all costs, wish you would both go away
Please, quote him on where exactly did he lie.
 
@Dr JIM
@mands

I have a question about the handling of the HGH that had been tested. According to my research HGH needs to be kept refrigerated prior to mixing / constitution - somastim being a known exception.

Did either of you refrigerate the HGH tested during your handling and shipping to each other?

I'm interested because if you did not then the results of testing would be even more real life in the sense that during a normal UGL transaction and handling refrigeration is neglected.

Apologies if this has been answered already. I've been attempting to keep up with the meat of the discussion relating to the HGH testing and results and did not see this addressed.

I think it helps put the test in perspective ( especially for the average perspective buyer ) if we had confermantion of handling method re: refrigeration. Thanks
 
@Dr JIM
@mands

I have a question about the handling of the HGH that had been tested. According to my research HGH needs to be kept refrigerated prior to mixing / constitution - somastim being a known exception.

Did either of you refrigerate the HGH tested during your handling and shipping to each other?

I'm interested because if you did not then the results of testing would be even more real life in the sense that during a normal UGL transaction and handling refrigeration is neglected.

Apologies if this has been answered already. I've been attempting to keep up with the meat of the discussion relating to the HGH testing and results and did not see this addressed.

I think it helps put the test in perspective ( especially for the average perspective buyer ) if we had confermantion of handling method re: refrigeration. Thanks
really? Lmao
 
really? Lmao

Why not just answer?

No, it wasn't refrigerated during transit or after. You'd have to ask the people who donated how they stored prior to shipping, but degradation due to non-refridgeration is overblown unless your Pharmacom then it's the only possible way your gh is underdosed or bunk.


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Why not just answer?

No, it wasn't refrigerated during transit or after. You'd have to ask the people who donated how they stored prior to shipping, but degradation due to non-refridgeration is overblown unless your Pharmacom then it's the only possible way your gh is underdosed or bunk.


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Thanks for the input. That's good to know.
 
Why not just answer?

No, it wasn't refrigerated during transit or after. You'd have to ask the people who donated how they stored prior to shipping, but degradation due to non-refridgeration is overblown unless your Pharmacom then it's the only possible way your gh is underdosed or bunk.


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Degradation of unreconstituted HGH is vastly overblown.
 
With comments of this nature tell me @mands what can be "figured out" NOTHING. But I'm not going to bow out this time as I did on the MALDI thread.

MEATHEAD entered this thread with one objective and one objective only; to discredit this data! How telling only TWO of his questions are directly related to the assays we've posted. Not his time, if he wants to talk trash I'll be here.

But then again he could just LEAVE and return to his cadre of PM worshipers.
I completely understand your frustration big guy.

mands
 
I have read through the whole thread again and there is no such standard or data posted

mands

As I predicted the standard is NOT available for public disclosure.

It's a three ring circus trying to validate any of PMs assays from an evidence based perspective.

But WE are being asked to disclose EVERYTHING. I played that game during the MALDI thread and won't do it again, bc it became apparent no amount of data would satisfy MH.

So our data is also NOT AVAILABLE FOR PUPLIC DISCLOSURE.

Problem "solved" :)
 
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