THE new "Generic" HGH Assay PAGE! AAA testing

[muscle96ss]

More of the same crap, did you find Janes standard, ah its not for public display.

What that entire thread proves is how willing I was to expose ALL of the accompanying data yet YOU wont cite squat for Janeos FIVE lame HPLCs.

Your an ignorant hypocritical fraud and is why MH = MEATHEAD!

Try your bullshit on PM where they "idolize" the likes of your ignorant ass!

Talk about a fraud. Why do you go out and spend thousands of dollars of your own personal money and risk having an illegal substance tested inside the USA without some personal benefit. You have always preached that people should only take pharma GH. So why are you even wasting your time and money with this project? Let me guess; its for the good of the community. Its because you love the people here and want to give back. I can see that clearly by your attitude in each and every post. Talk about having a bias and ulterior motives; Jim tell us why you are doing this. You know, two can play this game. I have been trying to keep this civil, but if a shit show is what you want then we can do that too.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

@mands Im a supporter of Dr Jim. These tests you and him conducted are one of the best things happened to this community. I will always be here to defend his efforts. But his attitude right or wrong, is indefensible.

If you read the Maldi-TOF thread, you'll see than nothing Jim said was ever enough to satisfy MH. I figured MH out when he based his objections (in the Maldi-TOF thread) solely on the calculations the chemist used to determine purity. MH argued for several days that the results were wrong because the mathematics were wrong. When I finally looked at it myself, I saw the chemist's math was in fact right. When I pointed this out to MH, he immediately dropped that line of attack and found something else to use to discredit the tests.

My point is that having a productive discussion with MH is an exercise in futility. I figured it out in the Maldi-TOF thread and it appears Jim has figured it out too. Being a long time ProMuscle member, MH has learned all the tricks. Obfuscating and casting doubt in order to discredit people with legitimate complaints or information is a skill that enabled ProMuscle to become such a successful steroid source forum. But those tactics shouldn't even be dignified with a serious response at Meso.

 

[muscle96ss]

A solution with you being a part is no solution, it's MH taking charge pure and simple and you're damn right I'll have NO PART of it, been there done that!

Whats there to "solve" MH tell me now, bc the data being posted on this thread is accurate and since you have failed to cite ANYTHING to the contrary, if you don't like it to bad LEAVE!

Trust me, I don't want to be in charge. Secondly, there is no possible way that the data is accurate. Like I said prior, I know too much about some of these GH's and where they come from.

 

[muscle96ss]

If you read the Maldi-TOF thread, you'll see than nothing Jim said was ever enough to satisfy MH. I figured MH out when he based his objections (in the Maldi-TOF thread) solely on the calculations the chemist used to determine purity. MH argued for several days that the results were wrong because the mathematics were wrong. When I finally looked at it myself, I saw the chemist's math was in fact right. When I pointed this out to MH, he immediately dropped that line of attack and found something else to use to discredit the tests.

My point is that having a productive discussion with MH is an exercise in futility. I figured it out in the Maldi-TOF thread and it appears Jim has figured it out too. Being a long time ProMuscle member, MH has learned all the tricks. Obfuscating and casting doubt in order to discredit people with legitimate complaints or information is a skill that enabled ProMuscle to become such a successful steroid source forum. But those tactics shouldn't even be dignified with a serious response at Meso.

And here comes the politician with Jim's dick in his mouth to the rescue to spout of more useless bullshit. You have never once even attempted a normal discussion with me. That thread is identical to this one with the exact same shit; MH is a shill, he is biased, he sells drugs, he owns PM, blah blah blah. 100 pages of nothing accomplished and by the way very different and contradictory lab results compared to this one.

 

[Dr JIM]

Secondly, there is no possible way that the data is accurate. .

Ok so whats there to "solve" LMFAO!

 

[muscle96ss]

Ok so whats there to solve, LMFAO!

I don't know Jim, are you interested in accurate results? Why are you spending all this money if you aren't looking for accuracy? You tell me.

 

[Dr JIM]

Cant you answer a simple question wo deflecting for goodness sake, what is there to solve?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

What is your motive here? CBS, why are you even in this thread; you don't use these drugs and haven't contributed anything in the form of information to this thread?

Your red herring is duly noted. However, the "form of information" I did post - the AAA data that you and Janoshit were begging for - was conspicuously IGNORED by both of you.

But don't flatter yourself, I didn't post it for your benefit. I posted it for the benefit of Meso members so that they might see how full of shit you are when you ignored it. And you didn't fail to disappoint.

 

[Dr JIM]

I say the sample data is accurate and you so nope its not. So what is there to solve, NOTHING!

 

[muscle96ss]

Cant you answer a simple question wo deflecting for goodness sake, what is there to solve?

Is that really a serious question? Jim, the results aren't accurate, the data conflicts with other tests and what I know to be facts. Do you seriously not understand that?

 

[Dr JIM]

Yea and how do you propose a "solution", bc there isn't one since you have refused to post your sample data AS I HAVE DONE WITH MINE!

"Why do you seriously not understand that"!

Lets also be cognizant of the fact I listed several reasons why "your data" could deviate from mine, which you promptly ignored.

I have my facts and everyone can see them, and YOU HAVE YOURS and no one can see them, Meso and PM members can decide for themselves.

 

[muscle96ss]

However I offer a solution to this whole mess. Here is my proposal. If you can help facilitate it so that the grey top factory can communicate with lab technician who performed the assays we can probably come to some conclusion as to whether there is a problem with the testing or an error at the factory. Mands and TP can work together behind the scenes to mediate this and make this happen(they have already been talking about stuff and TP already has a copy of an analysis which he is going to give to the grey top factory). So, if you are truly interested in getting a solution and your motives are pure, are you willing to help make this happen? Time to put up or shut up!!

From my earlier post today Jim

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

@mands Im a supporter of Dr Jim. These tests you and him conducted are one of the best things happened to this community. I will always be here to defend his efforts. But his attitude right or wrong, is indefensible.

Secondly, there is no possible way that the data is accurate. Like I said prior, I know too much about some of these GH's and where they come from.

And there you have it, MassTurk! NOTHING Jim says or posts will ever be enough to satisfy MH because he already "knows" there is no possible way the data is accurate. Incredible.

 

[muscle96ss]

Yea and how do you propose a "solution", bc there isn't one since you have refused to post your sample data AS I HAVE DONE WITH MINE!

"Why do you seriously not understand that"!

I have my facts and everyone can see them, and YOU HAVE YOURS and no one can see them, Meso and PM members can decide for themselves.

So, what you are saying is that the only way to resolve this issue is for you to publicly see data which I have no right to publicly post. Hmm, those HPLC tests from PM are the only thing that can possibly resolve this because no other tests that have been done matter or hold any significance and you seeing them in private is the only possible scenario where this can work. Wow, quite a fucked up set of reasoning and logic you got there Jim. I don't know if anybody is going to be able to see through that.

 

[Dr JIM]

And there you have it, MassTurk! NOTHING Jim says or posts will ever be enough to satisfy MH because he already "knows" there is no possible way the data is accurate. Incredible.

Yep and thats why there is NOTHING that can or will be "solved"!

And of course that's in spite of the fact I listed several reasons; like batch numbers hello, why my sample assays could deviate from his, which MH promptly ignored!

 

[muscle96ss]

And there you have it, MassTurk! NOTHING Jim says or posts will ever be enough to satisfy MH because he already "knows" there is no possible way the data is accurate. Incredible.

Sorry Mr. politician but what I am telling you is that I know some of these products well enough that when I see tests that are not accurate, it is not hard to tell. If there was one or two that were slightly off, then maybe; but you have 7 samples that I know are different than what they should be. Just like in the last testing thread where Jim swore that Colt's Genotropin was underdosed and it was not. Has he ever admitted or apologized for being wrong. It was the same scenario and same arguments as here. And in the end I was right, but you guys are still not even willing to admit that. You are a bunch of internet want-to-be's who have no clue what you are doing and try to act like your slick shit and everybody else is trash. You have to put people down to bring yourself up. You are incapable of working together with someone for a common goal and instead have joy in fighting them.

 

[Dr JIM]

Jim, for the last time, the data is not mine to post publicly. When the project was undertaken, there were rules established. Big A was very clear that the information is not to be posted publicly on any board. Perhaps you should send an email to him requesting its release and I will have jano post it all publicly(yes he used a reference standard and its actually mentioned in the thread along with the graph).

Also you keep omitting the fact that in addition to Jano's HPLC's we also had immunoassays done from an accredited and licensed lab. I guess since that doesn't fit into your narrative here you will keep ignoring it and acting like it doesn't exist. In addition there have been other tests that have been performed on the greys. Funny how they all come up at 10iu. Isn't it also ironic that all your tests on the greys were damn consistent. Perhaps its coming from a sophisticated plant capable of being precise like that(hint, hint). Perhaps that plant is government regulated and is not going to produce underdosed GH despite your ignorant paranoia. But instead of trusting someone that knows much more about it than you ever will, you continue to ignore common sense and logic and create this whole false ludicrous narrative that I am trying to swindle you so I can make more money. Whats funny, is even your best friend is telling you that I have nothing to do with the sales of GH. And you can goto any board on the internet and ask them about me, I have been around a long time. Did it ever occur to you that maybe you are wrong, just like when you said that the Chinese cannot make GH and its all peptide just a couple of years ago?

1) data that can't be disclosed to
the public now who's a part of some "dictatorship"


2) I've heard that before

3) as I've stated in an earlier post that "you obviously ignored" ELISA have very narrow quantitative sensitivity ranges and I suspect that's ONE REASON there are rarely if ever
(I could find NONE) used for analytical GH research.

It's for this reason someone needs to cite the specific ELISA used so I can cross reference it to ensure the manufacturers application guidelines were complied with, which I very much DOUBT!

LC/MS or HPLC require the use of a legitimate standard.IF Janeo used one, first why did he ask for instructions on how to obtain them, and second they are not listed on any of HIS HPLCS as is customary lab practice.

4) Really, darn I forgot to tell you Ive had five other labs that conducted tests on these samples and they ALL arrived at results similar to mine. EVIDENCE ABSENT THE DATA IS NOT EVIDENCE, but rather talk of "trust me" at best.

5) See that's the difference bt you and me I DONT make such assertions wo the evidence to support it, regardless of where it "came from". Yet I wouldn't be at all surprised if the "data" you keep referring to was conducted by the manufacturing plant itself.

Have you ever heard of the "cat guarding the henhouse" colloquialism!

6) I'd suggest you look at all the middlemen to ascertain where all the presupposed "missing GH" is, bc doing so might enable you to use "logic and common sense rather than continue with your paranoid narrative".

The fact is our assays are as accurate as you'll ever see and "that's coming from someone that knows much more about analytical GH testing" than you ever will.

7) Show me a post where I said the Chinese couldn't make legit GH, as I'm fully aware one of the first manufacturers was Chinese.

What I have said holds true to this day. no "UGL" can manufacture GH!

8) Continue on your path of being wrong about these assays bc it's obvious it's something you'll never accept as being legit
SINCE YOUR NOT IN CHARGE or YOURE JUST AN IGNORANT FOOL WHO CANT UNDERSTAND THE TESTING ITSELF. And "your experience on BB forums" won't change that fact.

CARE TO COMMENT NOW MH?

 

[rpbb]

Your red herring is duly noted. However, the "form of information" I did post - the AAA data that you and Janoshit were begging for - was conspicuously IGNORED by both of you.

But don't flatter yourself, I didn't post it for your benefit. I posted it for the benefit of Meso members so that they might see how full of shit you are when you ignored it. And you didn't fail to disappoint.

Funny how they never actually read it, just started asking more questions.

 

[Dr JIM]

Sorry Mr. politician but what I am telling you is that I know some of these products well enough that when I see tests that are not accurate, it is not hard to tell. If there was one or two that were slightly off, then maybe; but you have 7 samples that I know are different than what they should be. Just like in the last testing thread where Jim swore that Colt's Genotropin was underdosed and it was not. Has he ever admitted or apologized for being wrong. It was the same scenario and same arguments as here. And in the end I was right, but you guys are still not even willing to admit that. You are a bunch of internet want-to-be's who have no clue what you are doing and try to act like your slick shit and everybody else is trash. You have to put people down to bring yourself up. You are incapable of working together with someone for a common goal and instead have joy in fighting them.

Lets see did you "apologize" to all those BB who followed your advice; use GH levels as a means of quantify generic GH!

And what does that have to do with these assays, some "solution", lol!

Your motives have already been defined Jims "data is not accurate".

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I have been trying to keep this civil, but if a shit show is what you want then we can do that too.

Oh, My!

From the last two pages:

If people understood lab testing they would realize how retarded your arguments sounds

You can't reason with idiotic morons!

Jim and his following of dick suckers

Does your retarded ass not understand english

Are you really this stupid or just intentionally trying to confuse people.

And here comes the politician with Jim's dick in his mouth

You are a bunch of internet want-to-be's who have no clue what you are doing and try to act like your slick shit