THE new "Generic" HGH Assay PAGE! AAA testing

[mands]

No comments from all the people trying to discredit the testing?

I have respect for @muscle96ss and what he's done over the years.

My opinion is he's a good guy and is just a persistent dude looking for answer to what he believes is correct.

I can just disagree with him(which isn't often) on things without calling him a MEAT HEAD

mands

 

[muscle96ss]

I totally agree.

You're earlier post you were talking to Jim and said trust you or not. Just too many other factors involved I think even if we have all the information(or we think we do) to completely trust it's all accurate information.

I wasn't trying to discredit you at all. I was just stating the fact that I have as much inside information as you do about GH but, I still don't trust some Chinese factory or lab technician that's selling GH on the black market and supplying me with a lab analysis. I think we all would be naive to do so.

Here's a question, If we come out and post that the Serostim 4mg sample is overdosed? What do you think that would mean? Considering you think all samples tested have 25% more in the vials than what the AAA testing is stating.

mands

In regards to your question, I think anything within the margin of error is reasonable to expect. I would even say anything close to the margin of error is reasonable. Anything that is significantly outside the margin of error on either side would suggest further analysis into whats going on.

The fact that there is always going to be distrust between the general public and the manufacturers/sellers is the very reason I suggested that we have a coordinated effort between the grey top facility and the lab technician. What better scenario can you have then the actual company doing the manufacturing working with the very lab technician that shows a discrepancy in the final product. However, for some reason, Jim has refused this solution.

 

[mands]

In regards to your question, I think anything within the margin of error is reasonable to expect. I would even say anything close to the margin of error is reasonable. Anything that is significantly outside the margin of error on either side would suggest further analysis into whats going on.

The fact that there is always going to be distrust between the general public and the manufacturers/sellers is the very reason I suggested that we have a coordinated effort between the grey top facility and the lab technician. What better scenario can you have then the actual company doing the manufacturing working with the very lab technician that shows a discrepancy in the final product. However, for some reason, Jim has refused this solution.

I totally agree with you and I would love to see this happen between the manufacture and the testing facility. I just don't know if that can happen. That's up the lab and technician and if they have time to do so. It's something I would enjoy seeing.

mands

 

[janoshik]

Thank you Mr. Mands, that certainly is interesting result.

 

[heady muscle]

Are we trusting you or are we trusting a GH manufacture that is selling their product on the black market and telling the re-seller is dosed properly? There is a little more to it big guy you know that.

I have a 4mg Serostim that has been sent in for testing as well.

Testing is on HOLD until I can get some information from JIM. Then the testing will resume for all samples already sent in.

mands

Thanks for the Update Mands.

 

[heady muscle]

Here's another question. What do we do now? He have a grey top sample sent in and it's right on the money. Well it's .02mg off!!!

mands

So what sample is this? Or the number?

 

[Dr JIM]

I totally agree with you and I would love to see this happen between the manufacture and the testing facility. I just don't know if that can happen. That's up the lab and technician and if they have time to do so. It's something I would enjoy seeing.

mands

Let me tell you there is NOW WAY such a discussion would take place for those reasons I've already eluded to, first and foremost being; FULL DISCLOSURE of these so called "manufacturers" sample data.

If the select few don't like, appreciate or believe this data is accurate, put your money where your mouth is and conduct your OWN TESTING!

But nope that won't do bc its much easier and costs zippo to sit back like some Monday night quarterback and
criticize adlib.

PATHETIC, but expected.

 

[Dr JIM]

The above "discussion" is just one of MULTIPLE hoops we are being asked to jump thru for ONE PM member, yet Jano can't even post a damn STANDARD.

You may have forgotten but I most certainly have NOT, as one thing became PERFECTLY CLEAR close to the end of our MALDI GH THREAD.

No amount of "full disclosure" will satisfy MH, as any request for data is followed by more and more and more and .....

So now he expects our lab to discuss the Who, What, When, Where, How and Why of these assays. NO LAB WOULD even consider such an endeavor, absent a few gratuitous minutes, wo being paid nor should they, IMO.

Yesterday he wanted us to
presumably repeat all these tests using a Pharma GH product as the control. (Of note, he never specifically defined HOW this so called "Pharma control" would itself be QUANTIFIED)

And what do we receive in exchange for all our trouble? His certificate of authenticity, consider the source, NOT!

Nope these requests would be followed by more of the same such as;

A THIRD, and no doubt a FOURTH
request that all our samples undergo formal LC/MS using a USP standard.

How prophetic my statement was when I "forwarned" Meso members some time ago what they would have to confront if they decided to run and post GH sample data on MESO!

- first obtain MH consent to test those Greys
- obtain his Lab approval to utilize a specific facility
- receive permission to use a assay itself such as HPLC vs AAA
- send the results his way for a pre-posting approval

---- hear endless rebuttals about why your data should NOT be cited on an open board IF the results are lower, by more than 10%, than what's listed on the label.

 

[muscle96ss]

If the select few don't like, appreciate or believe this data is accurate, put your money where your mouth is and conduct your OWN TESTING!

Gee, what a great idea, wish I would have thought of that!

By the way, I do appreciate mands's effort!!

 

[rpbb]

I totally agree with you and I would love to see this happen between the manufacture and the testing facility. I just don't know if that can happen. That's up the lab and technician and if they have time to do so. It's something I would enjoy seeing.

mands

I disagree, I think it's up to the manufacturer to ship a consistent product, and shouldn't require testing by a third party to tell them if they are manufacturing it correctly

 

[muscle96ss]

The above "discussion" is just one of MULTIPLE hoops we are being asked to jump thru for ONE PM member, yet Jano can't even post a damn STANDARD.

You may have forgotten but I most certainly have NOT, bc one thing became PERFECTLY CLEAR at the end of our MALDI GH THREAD, no amount of
"full disclosure" will satisfy MH.

So now he requests our lab discuss the Who, What, When, Where, How and Why of these assays.

Yesterday he wanted us to
presumably repeat all these tests using a Pharma GH product as the control. (Of note, he never specifically defined HOW his so called Pharma GH control would itself be QUANTIFIED)

And what do we receive in exchange for all our trouble?

A THIRD, and no doubt a FOURTH
request that all our samples undergo formal LC/MS using a USP standard.

How prophetic my statement was when I "forwarned" Meso members some time ago what they would have to confront if they decided to run and post GH sample data on MESO!

- first obtain MH consent to test those Greys
- obtain his Lab approval to utilize a specific facility
- receive permission to use a assay itself such as HPLC vs AAA
- send the results his way for a pre-posting approval

---- hear endless rebuttals about why your data should NOT be cited on an open board IF the results are lower, by more than 10%, than what's listed on the label.

Once again showing you really have horrible reading comprehension skills or are intentionally twisting around what I said. Everyone on here knows exactly what I said. Also, once again, you cannot go a couple posts without mentioning PM or myself. Its definitely a bad obsession.

 

[muscle96ss]

I disagree, I think it's up to the manufacturer to ship a consistent product, and shouldn't require testing by a third party to tell them if they are manufacturing it correctly

But thats it, they do ship a consistent product and are actually audited by the government. So if they didn't they would be in trouble. But you can't seem to comprehend that.

 

[rpbb]

I guess the question I have, and would actually like an answer to, is why are the greytops inconsistent. I wouldn't normally care, because I think that's pretty much what I expected from generic hgh. Rather than ask Dr J a zillion questions, how about the manufacturer give us their answer as to how they are going to improve their manufacturing and testing. we do the same thing with the anaboliclab testing, but for some reason, we don't expect the same of the hgh manufacturers

 

[rpbb]

But thats it, they do ship a consistent product and are actually audited by the government. So if they didn't they would be in trouble. But you can't seem to comprehend that.

I comprehend just fine (getting pretty tired of you saying that), but considering nothing in china is known for consistent quality, why should this be any different

 

[muscle96ss]

I comprehend just fine (getting pretty tired of you saying that), but considering nothing in china is known for consistent quality, why should this be any different

The problem is that you know nothing about the plant producing them, so its easy to sit back and be skeptical. In some ways I can't blame you because you are newer to the scene and don't know me from the other boards or my actual reputation, like a lot of others do. But I truly have no horse in this race other than my passion for GH and my pet peeve of misinformation.

 

[rpbb]

The problem is that you know nothing about the plant producing them, so its easy to sit back and be skeptical. In some ways I can't blame you because you are newer to the scene and don't know me from the other boards or my actual reputation, like a lot of others do. But I truly have no horse in this race other than my passion for GH and my pet peeve of misinformation.

Muscle, don't kid yourself, CBS exposed you as a fraud, and I think you're a paid shill for the greytops.

 

[muscle96ss]

Muscle, don't kid yourself, CBS exposed you as a fraud, and I think you're a paid shill for the greytops.

He did no such thing, and you are too stupid to understand the truth.

 

[rpbb]

He did no such thing, and you are too stupid to understand the truth.

Yes he did, like I said, talk to your boss in China , and tell him his manufacturing and testing processes are screwed up, and tell us how they are going to fix it

 

[muscle96ss]

Yes he did, like I said, talk to your boss in China , and tell him his manufacturing and testing processes are screwed up, and tell us how they are going to fix it

Take Jim's dick out of your mouth and go back to the rest of your pathetic loser life because you have nothing true or relevant to contribute to this thread. In fact, all your posts on Meso are attacks against somebody and calling somebody a scammer or shill. Thats all you do and its getting old.

 

[fastasf]

Muscle, don't kid yourself, CBS exposed you as a fraud, and I think you're a paid shill for the greytops.

You're a fucking moron.