And if that were true there wouldn't be any need to test them, would there?
But we all know there's lots and lots of garbage GH out there. So the government audits don't mean much.
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And if that were true there wouldn't be any need to test them, would there?
But we all know there's lots and lots of garbage GH out there. So the government audits don't mean much.
If there is any difference bt Pharma and Generic GH this is it. Generic GH producers can follow whatever standard they choose, and independent testing is the ONLY means of ascertaining what that may be.
Unless of course you; "trust" those you don't know, who cite data you can not scrutinize, from a lab your not sure even exists.
Why of course they sell ONLY "quality products", "government audits" (of a facility that is selling illicit GH on the "black market") that we can't review say so.
Only on a PED source board such as "ProMuscle" would such NONSENSE be considered even remotely "believable".
And for those select believers I've some "land" on Jupiter to sell them, LAMO!
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Have you been to the GH plant in China? Physically there in the plant?
It's ABSOLUTELY HUGE I flew over it on my way from Texas to Florida.
Of interest, these "Government audits" haven't detected literally ten of thousands of boxes of missing 'Pharma GH" that is being diverted into the "black market".
Now that's the kind of audit we can all "believe" in, haha
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Is that really a serious question? Dude, I am not anybody special, just an intelligent user who has been around way too long. Why would I go visit a GH plant in China? Come on guys, some of this stuff is laughable.
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I do agree that there is a lot of garbage GH out there. There is also a lot of good quality, legit GH out there. There was a time period when the Chinese government was cracking down and as a result Rips, Hygetropin, and most of the legit Chinese GH disappeared from the market. The market was then dry for quite a while and everything coming out of China was garbage. That was until a couple of years ago or so when real legit GH started being produced again. So many people that weren't around prior, when there was plenty of good GH out there, don't realize that it does exist and thus have a negative perspective.
You're making claims like you have some inside knowledge about the GH plant, and whether they're subject to government oversight (see below).
And by your own admission, neither do you.
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Dude, you don't have to go to China to visit a plant to have information about it. That is a completely ludicrous and baseless argument and you know it. I have never been to the plant that produces my Singulair allergy pills either, but I am pretty sure its pharmaceutical grade and I am not getting ripped off(other than the price). I have never been to the GM plant that produced my Camaro, but I know people behind the scenes and if someone were to tell me that they really don't come with 580HP and I got ripped off; I know enough to know their claims are false. Do you go around visiting plants of all the products you use?
What's ludicrous and baseless is you comparing some black market drug dealer to a legit company. Newsflash: Drug dealers lie. That fact seems to be lost on you, MH. For all you know, TP has some chem plant making GH after hours in unsanitary conditions.
I'm a little surprised at your naivete, especially for someone that likes to remind everyone how long he's been around.
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Guys selling GH can't be put in the same category as guys on the street selling crack cocaine. Also, people in general lie, whether they are drug dealers or president of the USA; its a human characteristic. But in general you have plenty of good people in this world and plenty of bad people as well. I think if you were to take all the people that are selling AAS and GH, you will find a mix of good and bad people just the same.
You don't know these people to make definitive statements like that. I can't say I know TP that well, but from his actions over the past 9 years and the conversations we have had, I don't get the sense that he is lying about anything; and I have a good sense at reading people. He is smart enough to know that if he runs a straight business of supplying a quality product at a competitive price, he is going to make a good living. He has always expressed his lack of understanding of scammers like MG, because if you have access to real GH, there is no reason to rip people off and it is shortsighted and won't get you as far in the long run.
The view here is always so pessimistic and negative. Its good to be cautious and protective to an extent. But you also can't let your pessimism blind you from being objective and seeing things as they really are.
You mean unlike ProMuscle where everything is roses, the mods orally copulate sources right in front of everybody, and serial scammer PacMan is allowed to be a sponsor, pull off a massive scam, and then was allowed to came back again the next month under the Horizon name and do it all over again? I'll take Meso's pessimism and negativity over that circus, any day.
Oh it's much MORE than naïveté.
Lets be frank who else would spend sooooo much time and effort ensuring potential buyers understand, Greys in particular, are not underdosed as our assays have revealed in the absence of a vested interest?
What is that vested interest specifically IDK but he's NOT here as some community altruist that's for sure.
No I don't. You still need to talk to your buddies in china, and get us an answer as to why they are shipping inconsistent product. They better hurry up before they get audited by the chinese government and get in trouble
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It is interesting how it was not even considered that the inconsistency might be caused either by issues on the side of the testing or that it was not even the same grey top.
And you guys refuse to consider the grey tops.
you have no objectivity, you are here to protect your company and nothing else. anything else that diverts from that is met with a bunch of drivel and diversion.
And you still haven't answered the question of why the grey tops are inconsistent from batch to batch
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You still need to go fuck yourself!!
No I don't, you need to ask China why they are shipping inconsistent hgh
Come on. He defends them, but doesn't work for them.
You keep asking him and Jano why they are underdosed, but neither are involved. Ask PD, HK or TP to comment.
Do you or CBS use hgh at all? I know where muscle and mands are coming from because they use and want good generic gh, but I haven't seen you guys do anything to further the cause, only stir the pot.
I know you guys hate PM, but they've spent thousands on testing and prob 5 thousand+ on blood testing to try to improve the gh scene, so they are actually supporting the cause. You guys both like to run your mouth, but have you contributed anything? I assume so based on your al.com donations, but don't know.
I use pharma (luckily, I can afford it). But in regards to muscle, he defends them non stop, and attacks and criticize people who in any way criticize the grey tops.
Like I said, Jano is defending his testing business, which I can actually understand. Muscle on the other hand, is a devious lying weasal, who pretends to care about people, but in reality is just defending the greytops (shill). the funny thing is that I believe the greytops are a reasonable option for trying to save money, and I think Dr J's and mands testing have shown that. But to claim it's made in some factory in china and is audited by the government is just silly.
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