MESO-Rx Exclusive The Science of Trenbolone - Second Edition

[ChestRockwell]

My question to you is in your opinion should we really be running tren if we're not thinking of getting on stage?

I talk about this in more depth in part four. However, I think you are providing some great "clues" as far as the pros and cons of this hormone.

There is no disputing the fact that it can produce fantastic results, but many also experience a significantly lower quality of life. My views on trenbolone have changed a lot over the years and I tend to be very specific with it now (get it in and out of the system).

 

[hurricane]

I talk about this in more depth in part four. However, I think you are providing some great "clues" as far as the pros and cons of this hormone.

There is no disputing the fact that it can produce fantastic results, but many also experience a significantly lower quality of life. My views on trenbolone have changed a lot over the years and I tend to be very specific with it now (get it in and out of the system).

Looking forward to part 4. Thank you for your response. Much appreciated.

 

[Eman]

Yeah, even though it will be too late to include in the article, I still have a very high interest in obtaining tren-solo bloods.

You may have to lead by example.

 

[mands]

@ChestRockwell good stuff my man!

mands

 

[Wunderpus]

I talk about this in more depth in part four. However, I think you are providing some great "clues" as far as the pros and cons of this hormone.

There is no disputing the fact that it can produce fantastic results, but many also experience a significantly lower quality of life. My views on trenbolone have changed a lot over the years and I tend to be very specific with it now (get it in and out of the system).

Speaking from direct experience, when you and I used tren in my cut... It just didn't work for me at the time... The physical results were good, but the quality of life I was living due to the side effects (reflux, sweat, digestive issues, insomnia) actually hindered my results more. Switching over to primo was the best move we made, for sure.

You will hate this, but tren in many ways, I view like DNP. It's a tool that can be used, but only when it's really necessary... Necessary in the sense of "I have a show in a few weeks, I'm willing to suffer at all costs to show up in the best shape I can." Not to say the side effects and risks are on par with DNP, but to me the mindset is similar. I tend to stay away from tren the more and more I learn about using other tools before bringing it on board. A strong DHT (primo, mast, etc.) can realistically get you pretty close to where tren "can", but with far less sides.

 

[Docd187123]

What kind of parameters do you have for Tren only bloods Chest? Next time I brew some up I’m willing to be your guinea pig

 

[Rockclimber]

First off another fantastic article, thank you so much! I do have a question for you and It may be stupid but...
How can tren reduce your metabolic rate while also being well known for reducing visceral fat? Seems like two sides of the coin?

"Even in trials where thyroid levels are not significantly different, trenbolone decreased fasting metabolic rates, leading to less intake requirements for creating intake surplus [60].

Therefore, it may be reasonable to speculate the increased feed efficiency seen in numerous studies over the years could be related to trenbolone-mediated suppression of metabolic rate."

 

[hurricane]

Speaking from direct experience, when you and I used tren in my cut... It just didn't work for me at the time... The physical results were good, but the quality of life I was living due to the side effects (reflux, sweat, digestive issues, insomnia) actually hindered my results more. Switching over to primo was the best move we made, for sure.

You will hate this, but tren in many ways, I view like DNP. It's a tool that can be used, but only when it's really necessary... Necessary in the sense of "I have a show in a few weeks, I'm willing to suffer at all costs to show up in the best shape I can." Not to say the side effects and risks are on par with DNP, but to me the mindset is similar. I tend to stay away from tren the more and more I learn about using other tools before bringing it on board. A strong DHT (primo, mast, etc.) can realistically get you pretty close to where tren "can", but with far less sides.

I'm with you bro. Even if I could run tren again I wouldn't. As I stated I felt like a pile of shit both tren runs.

 

[Wunderpus]

I'm with you bro. Even if I could run tren again I wouldn't. As I stated I felt like a pile of shit both tren runs.

In the nature of being honest, I would 100% run tren again (probably will)... But, it will be in a time of need.... Tren is almost intoxicating to me, truly. It's like a drug... I crave it when I'm not on it, hate it when I'm using, but love the way it feels... Fucking wild, dude.

The biggest thing for me an tren is it's effect on women. My girl 100% KNOWS, and I've tested, when I'm taking tren. I've discussed this before, I think with Dr. Jim... She can literally feel it in her body and has STRONG hormonal responses to want to procreate. I've noticed it with girls prior, but she is "in the know" more than previous girls have been, and will straight up ask "are you on tren right now?" It's almost always a yes when she asks, and she talks about how she has insane physiological urges far beyond normal. Tough to give that up...

 

[hurricane]

In the nature of being honest, I would 100% run tren again (probably will)... But, it will be in a time of need.... Tren is almost intoxicating to me, truly. It's like a drug... I crave it when I'm not on it, hate it when I'm using, but love the way it feels... Fucking wild, dude.

The biggest thing for me an tren is it's effect on women. My girl 100% KNOWS, and I've tested, when I'm taking tren. I've discussed this before, I think with Dr. Jim... She can literally feel it in her body and has STRONG hormonal responses to want to procreate. I've noticed it with girls prior, but she is "in the know" more than previous girls have been, and will straight up ask "are you on tren right now?" It's almost always a yes when she asks, and she talks about how she has insane physiological urges far beyond normal. Tough to give that up...

That's very interesting. I guess if my wife was that way while on tren I'd probably run it also!
I just couldn't stand the lethargic feeling while on. I could of slept 10 hours a day on it. I also never was "hornier" on tren. Didn't want to fuk everything in sight like the majority say.
Loved the strength. Loved the pumps and how I looked. But the sides just really sucked for me. Not to mention how fukd I felt mentally when coming off.
But I can see how one can develop a love/hate relationship with it.

 

[ChestRockwell]

You will hate this, but tren in many ways, I view like DNP. It's a tool that can be used, but only when it's really necessary...

No, I don't hate this at all. In fact, I tend to share a similar mindset in a lot of ways. As you said, I had a hunch many of the symptoms you were suffering from were trenbolone-induced and that is why I wanted to pull it. Afterwards, results continued to be seen but you just felt so much better!

And, I'm pretty open these days in that I tend to stay away from trenbolone, particularly on diets. In fact, I tend to abstain from it, even with my prep athletes whenever possible.

 

[ChestRockwell]

What kind of parameters do you have for tren only bloods Chest? Next time I brew some up I’m willing to be your guinea pig

Oh, this would be amazing! Quite simple, really. I'd like for someone to use 150mg/week of trenbolone and get tests after 6-8 weeks (depending on the ester used). Then, after a "washout period", I'd like that same person to run 150mg/week of testosterone and again get tests after 6-8 weeks.

It would be a very good data set to begin to see how much of the animal data is directly comparable to humans. Of course, the more folks we can get to do this, the larger our data set becomes. But I'm willing to take anything I can get at this point!

 

[Apexvallen]

What made you choose primo when cutting out the tren?

 

[ChestRockwell]

First off another fantastic article, thank you so much! I do have a question for you and It may be stupid but...
How can tren reduce your metabolic rate while also being well known for reducing visceral fat? Seems like two sides of the coin?

No, not stupid at all. I still tend to speculate that trenbolone has both direct and indirect effects on metabolic rate. First, it may directly impact the thyroidal axis in a suppressive fashion. It was not universally observed in all trials, however it was seen often enough that I don't think it can be totally overlooked.

Secondly, it tends to significantly impact levels of stored fat, which can also lower metabolic rate to a small degree.

 

[ChestRockwell]

What made you choose primo when cutting out the tren?

We still wanted an androgen that did not aromatize (to help keep A:E ratios similar) but wanted to choose one that was a little better on quality of life. Primobolan checks both those boxes...

 

[mands]

In the nature of being honest, I would 100% run tren again (probably will)... But, it will be in a time of need.... Tren is almost intoxicating to me, truly. It's like a drug... I crave it when I'm not on it, hate it when I'm using, but love the way it feels... Fucking wild, dude.

The biggest thing for me an tren is it's effect on women. My girl 100% KNOWS, and I've tested, when I'm taking tren. I've discussed this before, I think with Dr. Jim... She can literally feel it in her body and has STRONG hormonal responses to want to procreate. I've noticed it with girls prior, but she is "in the know" more than previous girls have been, and will straight up ask "are you on tren right now?" It's almost always a yes when she asks, and she talks about how she has insane physiological urges far beyond normal. Tough to give that up...

I think we talked about this as well. If you remember I told you mine can tell when I take it because of that and my breath smells different to her. lol Crazy stuff.

mands

 

[Apexvallen]

We still wanted an androgen that did not aromatize (to help keep A:E ratios similar) but wanted to choose one that was a little better on quality of life. Primobolan checks both those boxes...

Gotcha.
Can you comment briefly on why I hear so much about primo making peoples physique look different than any other compound available. Apparently it makes muscles pop and look full in a different way than say nandrolones do.

 

[johntt44]

In the nature of being honest, I would 100% run tren again (probably will)... But, it will be in a time of need.... Tren is almost intoxicating to me, truly. It's like a drug... I crave it when I'm not on it, hate it when I'm using, but love the way it feels... Fucking wild, dude.

The biggest thing for me an tren is it's effect on women. My girl 100% KNOWS, and I've tested, when I'm taking tren. I've discussed this before, I think with Dr. Jim... She can literally feel it in her body and has STRONG hormonal responses to want to procreate. I've noticed it with girls prior, but she is "in the know" more than previous girls have been, and will straight up ask "are you on tren right now?" It's almost always a yes when she asks, and she talks about how she has insane physiological urges far beyond normal. Tough to give that up...

I get the same effect from it. My wife is all over me more than usual when Im on tren. I wonder if its the scent it gives off maybe like pheromones ?

 

[Docd187123]

Oh, this would be amazing! Quite simple, really. I'd like for someone to use 150mg/week of trenbolone and get tests after 6-8 weeks (depending on the ester used). Then, after a "washout period", I'd like that same person to run 150mg/week of testosterone and again get tests after 6-8 weeks.

It would be a very good data set to begin to see how much of the animal data is directly comparable to humans. Of course, the more folks we can get to do this, the larger our data set becomes. But I'm willing to take anything I can get at this point!

This is doable.

I only do long esters for the most part so we’re talking Tren e and test e here. I can do bloods at wk6-8 on Tren e solo, do a 5wk washout period to be on the safe side, then 6-8wks of test e. Do you want the washout period to be void of all compounds or do you want the test to begin during this period? Assuming you want nothing to be ran.

And which panels would you like to see? CBC, metabolic, thyroid, LC/MS estradiol, lipids?

 

[hurricane]

I get the same effect from it. My wife is all over me more than usual when Im on tren. I wonder if its the scent it gives off maybe like pheromones ?

Which is so odd to me because I smell horrid on tren. My sweat even makes me nauseous! Maybe you're right though. Some chicks probably pick up on that. Tren is truly unique imo.