He writes the same way he eats and does roids. Niiiiiiiiice.
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MESO-Rx Exclusive The Science of Trenbolone - Second Edition
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ChestRockwell
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LOL
Inquiring Mind
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@ChestRockwell
If I’m not mistaken, I think it was in @Wunderpus previous thread where I believe you said something along the lines of looking back on your previous knowledge and experience with Tren and compared to what you have compiled recently, that you would probably never recommend Tren again for anyone. Maybe I got it wrong or exaggerated, is I apologize in advance in case I’m misstating. However, in these 3 articles you provided, I could not discern whether you favored Tren anymore. In fact, I thought a great majority of the things you cited were alter her beneficial, even in the case of metabolic rate or the influence over the thyroid, and the likes.
I understand the articles are informative in nature and that you withheld your personal
yay or nay opinion on the use of Tren. Maybe I was trying too hard to read between the lines for a definitive “Tren is g2g” or “stay the hell away”. LOL
Nevertheless for my lack of comprehension of the subject matter, I thoroughly enjoyed the read and look forward the number 4.
Also, enjoying your IG. Lots to read there too. Killer physique my dude!
If I’m not mistaken, I think it was in @Wunderpus previous thread where I believe you said something along the lines of looking back on your previous knowledge and experience with Tren and compared to what you have compiled recently, that you would probably never recommend Tren again for anyone. Maybe I got it wrong or exaggerated, is I apologize in advance in case I’m misstating. However, in these 3 articles you provided, I could not discern whether you favored Tren anymore. In fact, I thought a great majority of the things you cited were alter her beneficial, even in the case of metabolic rate or the influence over the thyroid, and the likes.
I understand the articles are informative in nature and that you withheld your personal
yay or nay opinion on the use of Tren. Maybe I was trying too hard to read between the lines for a definitive “Tren is g2g” or “stay the hell away”. LOL
Nevertheless for my lack of comprehension of the subject matter, I thoroughly enjoyed the read and look forward the number 4.
Also, enjoying your IG. Lots to read there too. Killer physique my dude!
Inquiring Mind
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@ChestRockwell
Also, forgot to ask, is there anything that can actually have positive influence in terms of compromised HDL that one can implement? Omega 3 with every mean?
Prescription for Cholesterol meds when in cycle?
Also, forgot to ask, is there anything that can actually have positive influence in terms of compromised HDL that one can implement? Omega 3 with every mean?
Prescription for Cholesterol meds when in cycle?
Curious on what Chest will say, but I'll provide my $0.02 for wht it's worth... Recently I compared tren to DNP, and I think it's very fitting. I wouldn't really "recommend" DNP to anyone... But, it has it's place... It's the "oh shit, I'm not where i need to be in my prep" drug... It's a gamble, too. It's risky, and it can fuck your physique worse, or kill you (tren won't kill you in the same sense as DNP can)....
The more I play with tren, the more I dislike it overall. I have found masteron and/or primo are just as effective, and have less side effects universally (maybe minus hair loss).
There is NO fucking doubt tren works, it really does. But, at what cost? I think tren's importance in bodybuilding, so to speak, is overstated. I find it's likely tren will be phased out by many in favor of primo, anavar and masteron in time... But, there will always be the folks who want crazy fast results and want to risk it (so they think).
hurricane
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Another great article. Very informative as usual.
Inquiring Mind
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I think that’s a very interesting comparison you make. I remember you made that comparisons elsewhere, and I think you might have said DNP was was like melting from the inside out?
Whereas Tren is supposed to be a real mind fuck. Damn, imagine the guy running them together
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tenpoundsleft
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I second this, a lot to read through and I was looking for pros and cons along the way.
So far it looks like the article suggests a modest TRT dose of test with some Tren on top is ideal. I could be wrong but that's what it looks like.
Looking forward to the next piece and hopefully some pros/cons chart with more practical suggestions too.
ChestRockwell
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If possible, I'd like to withhold too much of my personal commentary until part four is published as I spend the last half just kind of speaking from a personal perspective as to how I feel about trenbolone and when it should be used.
Thanks man, I appreciate your support!
ChestRockwell
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One thing I won't recommend would be cholesterol medications such as statins.
I speculate that the use of supratherapeutic levels of AAS may upregulate hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL) activity in places like the liver and heart, which regulates triglyceride breakdown among many other things. This is likely why HDL levels become suppressed during periods of usage.
Testosterone affects hormone-sensitive lipase (HSL) activity and lipid metabolism in the left ventricle. - PubMed - NCBI
Letting lipids go: hormone-sensitive lipase. - PubMed - NCBI
I think general guidelines apply for bodybuilder-types, including consuming a healthy diet consisting of decent variety of seafood or supplementation if that is not possible.
ChestRockwell
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Yep, if you guys can wait just a little longer, I'll be spending the majority of the final article on my personal thoughts and recommendations.
I've done them together. I wouldn't recommend it, but I would be lying if I said I would NEVER do it again. If I was fat, and had 2 weeks to look great, I'd do it (assuming I felt the juice was worth the squeeze).I think that’s a very interesting comparison you make. I remember you made that comparisons elsewhere, and I think you might have said DNP was was like melting from the inside out?
Whereas Tren is supposed to be a real mind fuck. Damn, imagine the guy running them together
I ran 400mg's of DNP/day, 350mg's of tren ace a week, 50mg's of anavar a day, 40ius of lantus a day, 250mcgs of HGH frag/day, injectable carnitine (I can't remember the amount), 50mcgs of clen, 25mcgs of T3 and 4iu of Serostims... Now, was it ridiculous? Yes... But, nothing has ever changed my look in a matter of 3 weeks like that did... So, take it for what it's worth to you.
Inquiring Mind
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Your gonna need to charge an admission fee to access that last arrtical. LOL
Inquiring Mind
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Excuse me for not having something more intelligent to say other than God Damn Man ya crazy! LOL.
luex
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Where can I find part one? I’ll definitely read them both!
C-Dale
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"Estrogen and, more specifically, aromatase activity is a potent stimulator of the GH/IGF axis. Supporting this hypothesis, implantation with trenbolone-only has been shown to lower, serum GH levels [8,68,69,70,71]. Conversely, steers implanted with E2 alone have been shown to have increased circulating concentrations of both GH and IGF-1 [77–78]. These combined TBA/E2 implants likely result in increased GH levels, and may even alter the number and/or affinity of GHRs in tissues such as the liver [79]. As we learned earlier, having adequate growth factors to stimulate satellite cell proliferation and differentiation is a crucial step in the hypertrophy process."
A pure gold nugget, here...
A pure gold nugget, here...
tenpoundsleft
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Hmmm, does this suggest that it's good to let E2 get higher than usual (although without side effects) when you're on Tren?
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ChestRockwell
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Thank you, and this is one of the many reasons I try to fight the "estrogen is not the enemy" battle as loud and often as possible
Individual results may vary, however I do think it is a good rule of thumb to have a stack design which includes an estrogenic compound when running trenbolone.
Many years ago, I was a member of a board that preached "high tren, low test" stacks and I spent a good amount of time in my private messages helping folks "unwreck" themselves.
tenpoundsleft
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Thank you, and this is one of the many reasons I try to fight the "estrogen is not the enemy" battle as loud and often as possible
Individual results may vary, however I do think it is a good rule of thumb to have a stack design which includes an estrogenic compound when running trenbolone.
Many years ago, I was a member of a board that preached "high tren, low test" stacks and I spent a good amount of time in my private messages helping folks "unwreck" themselves.
Thanks - anyone who doesn't use test as the foundation for a cycle is asking for trouble. Isn't that one of the few ironclad rules about steroid use?
Would you say that, especially on tren, that it's a good idea to just manage against estrogen sides as you "feel" them, rather than try to push E2 down to a lower level? I only take AIs as I feel E2 sides coming, that has worked for me so far - and with what you're saying it sounds like it's actually synergistic with tren to let your E2 go higher than normal?
Sorry to hammer on the same issue, but your previous reply kind of skirted the question - maybe intentionally? Maybe you're saving that answer for your next installation in the series?
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