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bigpoppachump said:
I heald out hope on you Titan but after reading the thread and posts by the username Titan on evolutionary I am convinced that's you. One day yes one day I will find myself a domestic UGL that's not full of shit. I still have plenty of time left in my search. The way you non shalantly shrug off the coincidence is a tell in itself because if I knew I was being falsely accused of something I would be a little more vehement in defending myself instead of "it must be a coincidence" and trying to move on to the next subject.
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It's him, dead to rights. Same writing style. So much for my eternal optimism. Next time I'm being a nice guy and all "benefit of the doubt" someone just bitch slap me.
 
vivame said:
I'm reposting the pic I posted earlier but with a bit of an interpretation that may help you out (if I'm correct.)

Comparing the Gluteal 1ml to the Deltoid 1ml
Day 1:
Gluteal = ~13.5nM
Deltoid = ~7nM​
Day 4:
Gluteal = ~14nM
Deltoid = ~9nM​
Day 11:
Gluteal = ~7nM <= HALF
Deltoid = ~7nM​
Day 16:
Gluteal = ~4nM
Deltoid = ~4nM <= HALF​
Day 27:
Gluteal = ~2nM
Deltoid = ~2nM​

So to me it looks like between the 2 muscles, there is about a 5 day difference in the time it takes for nandrolone levels to become half of what they were in day one. The two plots follow almost the exact same curve except that the glute seems to give you higher levels initially. After that the levels are almost the exact same.

My conclusion is that both the delts and glutes have peaks at about the exact same time however the glutes give you more bang for your buck. So test timing doesn't seem to play a significant role in this, and unless I'm mistaken, it seems like deltoids may just be wasteful.

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Thanks, I rather like it here. The only thing so far that I dislike about meso is I spend too much time trying to keep up with everything and it is cutting into my workout and sleep time :)
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Yeah I think we're both probably correct and incorrect about a few things, but we mostly agree. The only thing is I don't see how delts would be wasteful just based on my jailhouse logic: the depot may sit for longer, b/c it is a much smaller muscle with less bloodflow (my conclusions), but the substance would eventually get assimilated right? Anyways, I just pinned my delt so I hope it's not wasted! Last resort but my glutes and quads are already crippled.
 
vivame said:
I'm not disputing it. I think my only gripe was with the statement you said (I think it was you, but I'm too lazy to verify,) about delts doubling half life. I think we are more or less on the same page; and I learned not to use delts as an injection source because it just seems wasteful.

I should start a thread in the mens health section and see if I can get @Michael Scally MD to weigh in on injection sites. I believe he is pro subcutaneous injections for TRT patients.
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Yeah it'd be great to get the docs opinion. I've heard that subq doubles the halflife of delts tho, but only when on TRT. Not when cycling ;)
 
dnml said:
Yeah I think we're both probably correct and incorrect about a few things, but we mostly agree. The only thing is I don't see how delts would be wasteful just based on my jailhouse logic: the depot may sit for longer, b/c it is a much smaller muscle with less bloodflow (my conclusions), but the substance would eventually get assimilated right? Anyways, I just pinned my delt so I hope it's not wasted! Last resort but my glutes and quads are already crippled.
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Brother I truly feel you are over thinking things here. You are not wasting when you use your delts.
 
4leafclover said:
Let me make this simple for you, if you are injecting 1ML and testing it in a day, then yes, it will make a difference for the injection site. As you can see by the graph, testing after 15 days (which was the case with lightspan), there is RELATIVELY NO DIFFERENCE.

And its not ng as you're referencing, its NM a different measurement... nm = nanometer, ng = nanogram...

Again let me repeat, the above study was conducted on nandrolone and at 1 ML, go find some studies at supratheraputic levels.

And no, if you were a scientist you could not draw your broader point conclusions about entirely different compounds when none of them were tested, you would only draw conclusions on NANDROLONE, as that is what the study pertains to. That's like saying hcg would be best shot in the glute, because deca is; following your same logic...
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Well my friend, thank you for making that simple for me. ;)

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with just about everything you wrote though. And excuse the ng typo.
Surface area and volume of bloodflow of a muscle will have an effect on the assimilation time. And to partially use your analogy, here's another example: hgh subq peaks slower than im, as does hcg sq vs im (your example), as does test sq vs im *so I've read, not positive on this TBH. But I'll go out on a limb. :)

Can I ask your background and stats? (Asking for real, don't get offended. Already said I am no doc or scientist).
 
dnml said:
Man no offense but none of you guys read the full post! Lol

I never said that, I opposed that. Shiiite.
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Bro you just said it in your post I quoted. Word for word..."anyways, I just pinned my delt so I hope it's not wasted!"
 
I have 30ml test-e from Titan I'd be willing to 1 x 10ml send to get MS, also have Titan's deca 250 from way back that I'd be willing to send in for sample as well in return for store credit. Let me know, this would give us even more data points which is what we need right now. This offer is on the table.

Devin
 
vivame said:
Back on the muscle site location vs half life debate, here's what Dr. Michael Scally had to say:
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Thx for posting that Vivame.

The line for everyone who challenged me, to now BOW DOWN forms HERE!

Totally kidding.

But on a serious note, I took a ton of heat from many real respected vets on this. IIRC only OGH or Oregonstrong (sry I mix those handles up) and bigmesc supported my position.

Well there you go gents, the doc had spoken.

Respectfully...
 
Agreed. I'm interested in the debate you guys are carrying on and would like to continue reading it in a thread devoted to the topic.

No offense dnml.
 
lightspan said:
It's him, dead to rights. Same writing style. So much for my eternal optimism. Next time I'm being a nice guy and all "benefit of the doubt" someone just bitch slap me.
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Yes once you read the posts and compare them it's quite clear they are the same person. This guy is full of shit. As the saying goes "when there's smoke there's fire". I have seen less smoke in a cheech and chong movie compared to this guy.
 
dnml said:
Yeah I think we're both probably correct and incorrect about a few things, but we mostly agree. The only thing is I don't see how delts would be wasteful just based on my jailhouse logic: the depot may sit for longer, b/c it is a much smaller muscle with less bloodflow (my conclusions), but the substance would eventually get assimilated right? Anyways, I just pinned my delt so I hope it's not wasted! Last resort but my glutes and quads are already crippled
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dnml said:
Yeah I think we're both probably correct and incorrect about a few things, but we mostly agree. The only thing is I don't see how delts would be wasteful just based on my jailhouse logic: the depot may sit for longer, b/c it is a much smaller muscle with less bloodflow (my conclusions), but the substance would eventually get assimilated right? Anyways, I just pinned my delt so I hope it's not wasted! Last resort but my glutes and quads are already crippled.
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Delts are my favorite pin location
 
dnml said:
Thx for posting that Vivame.

The line for everyone who challenged me, to now BOW DOWN forms HERE!

Totally kidding

But on a serious note, I took a ton of heat from many real respected vets on this. IIRC only OGH or Oregonstrong (sry I mix those handles up) and bigmesc supported my position.

Well there you go gents, the doc had spoken.

Respectfully...
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I told you to let that shit die, now everyones on your ass.

jhulk said:
Delts are my favorite pin location
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This is my first cycle on a short ester so had to rotate from the glutes to delts, my new favorite position too. I hate quads. I just read what dnml said about the delts, had a good laugh
 
Flounder said:
Sorry I didn't pick that up. Normally I would have but I just finished reading a ton of Blazinshotguns shit on another thread. I swear just reading his crap will turn the smartest man into a fucking retard.
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I read some funny shit of his where I get lost as fuck

lightspan said:
It's him, dead to rights. Same writing style. So much for my eternal optimism. Next time I'm being a nice guy and all "benefit of the doubt" someone just bitch slap me.
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Shit now Im going to have to read this, I've been very hopeful too
 
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