Tren Cycle, first timer here... whoop whoop!!

[fit2beking]

[)] Hahaha, I was just messing with you PB.. I wasn't sure if you were going pick up on that or not..

I definitely wouldn't have had this much progress without the drugs though, but that's just part of it.. The drugs don't go to the grocery store twice a week, do the food prep, eat the ridiculous amounts of food, lift the weights, or do the cardio..

I'm far from being the monster I aspire to be but feel like I'm doing ok for a guy with a job and a family... Thanks for all the kind words guys.. I was kinda nervous to post but I'm glad I did.

You are doing real good bro! Keep it up!

 

[1forthegeeks]

You have nothing to worry about man!

Your after pic is easily most guy's end game plan!

I'm still trying to get my diet as regimented as yours.

You've come a long, long, long way!

So what is your ideal weight?

Are you aiming to be like 250?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

You have nothing to worry about man!

Your after pic is easily most guy's end game plan!

I'm still trying to get my diet as regimented as yours.

You've come a long, long, long way!

So what is your ideal weight?

Are you aiming to be like 250?

Geez, I'd love to hit 250 but I don't know if I could walk around like that all the time.. My next goal is cutting to under 10% BF late this winter after PCT. I'd LOVE to be 240lbs ~10% BF after my spring cycle!!

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Ughh.. Running the var and winny together was a bad idea.. I feel so freaking lethargic!![|)] I'm going to keep them both at 50mg for the next couple days then I'll be out of the var and stick with the winny..

I'm still making strength gains but the scale hasn't really moved in weeks, just weighed 229lbs.. I've only got a couple more shots of tren in my vial and I'm debating on whether or not to crack another one open for 2 more weeks of it because if I open the vial I'm going to have to finish it.. My washing machine could use a break from the freaking sheets!! [)] What do you guys think?? If I drop it I'll also drop the NPP and stay on test and winny for a few more weeks...

Since the beginning of the week this has been my protocol:

60mg test p-ED
40mg NPP-ED
75mg tren a-ED
50mg var-ED
50mg winny-ED
4iu GH-ED

I think its alot and I think I'm just wasting it at this point.. Like I said a little while back I think I'm maxed out on this cycle.. Thought I'd up everything a little as a last ditch effort but not sure it's going to make a difference...

 

[TaoPhD]

Ughh.. Running the var and winny together was a bad idea.. I feel so freaking lethargic!![|)] I'm going to keep them both at 50mg for the next couple days then I'll be out of the var and stick with the winny..

I'm still making strength gains but the scale hasn't really moved in weeks, just weighed 229lbs.. I've only got a couple more shots of tren in my vial and I'm debating on whether or not to crack another one open for 2 more weeks of it because if I open the vial I'm going to have to finish it.. My washing machine could use a break from the freaking sheets!! [)] What do you guys think?? If I drop it I'll also drop the NPP and stay on test and winny for a few more weeks...

Since the beginning of the week this has been my protocol:

60mg test p-ED
40mg NPP-ED
75mg tren a-ED
50mg var-ED
50mg winny-ED
4iu GH-ED

I think its alot and I think I'm just wasting it at this point.. Like I said a little while back I think I'm maxed out on this cycle.. Thought I'd up everything a little as a last ditch effort but not sure it's going to make a difference...

I think you are right. If you feel you are maxed and your body is telling you that toothe you might as well save it

 

[jp4355]

Ughh.. Running the var and winny together was a bad idea.. I feel so freaking lethargic!![|)] I'm going to keep them both at 50mg for the next couple days then I'll be out of the var and stick with the winny..

I'm still making strength gains but the scale hasn't really moved in weeks, just weighed 229lbs.. I've only got a couple more shots of tren in my vial and I'm debating on whether or not to crack another one open for 2 more weeks of it because if I open the vial I'm going to have to finish it.. My washing machine could use a break from the freaking sheets!! [)] What do you guys think?? If I drop it I'll also drop the NPP and stay on test and winny for a few more weeks...

Since the beginning of the week this has been my protocol:

60mg test p-ED
40mg NPP-ED
75mg tren a-ED
50mg var-ED
50mg winny-ED
4iu GH-ED

I think its alot and I think I'm just wasting it at this point.. Like I said a little while back I think I'm maxed out on this cycle.. Thought I'd up everything a little as a last ditch effort but not sure it's going to make a difference...

I've done everything on your list, except the Winny. I 'am just wondering, because I know that winny can be tough on the joints, If that's maybe making you lethargic. When I was on Anavar, I had so much energy, I never wanted to leave the Gym.
Also, I was doing Test C, Tren E, and some TB-500 , Peg-MGF, and Ipamorelin.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Maybe JP.. Honestly, I haven't used winny in like 7 years so I forget if it did that or not.. I remember my joints killing me though!! The NPP seems to be helping with that but there's still some discomfort..

I think you are right. If you feel you are maxed and your body is telling you that toothe you might as well save it

Fuck off Tao.. Always need to be the voice of reason with your logical thoughts and such!! [)] Yea, your right, as usual... I just got home and drained the vial, exactly 75mg, enough for one shot tomorrow.. This sucks... You know what it's like when you're away on vacation and it's your last night there?? That feeling of wanting to stay just a little longer... Not wanting to go back to your crazy hectic life just yet.. Going over the possibility of staying an extra few nights in your head only to wind up packing your shit in the morning.. That's what this is like..

What a drug man, I don't think I can imagine running another cycle without it.. Goodbye friend..

 

[weekend]

^talkin about tren?

I am feeling the same way, on my first cycle with it and don't want it to leave. Realized my nuts are the size of grapes today now though. Kindof a lurking uneasiness in the back of my mind.

Maybe they will grow a little when I drop tren and keep test and mast in.


Interesting you say that about the var + winny, I am on var now and about to switch to winny.

 

[TaoPhD]

Maybe JP.. Honestly, I haven't used winny in like 7 years so I forget if it did that or not.. I remember my joints killing me though!! The NPP seems to be helping with that but there's still some discomfort..



Fuck off Tao.. Always need to be the voice of reason with your logical thoughts and such!! [)] Yea, your right, as usual... I just got home and drained the vial, exactly 75mg, enough for one shot tomorrow.. This sucks... You know what it's like when you're away on vacation and it's your last night there?? That feeling of wanting to stay just a little longer... Not wanting to go back to your crazy hectic life just yet.. Going over the possibility of staying an extra few nights in your head only to wind up packing your shit in the morning.. That's what this is like..

What a drug man, I don't think I can imagine running another cycle without it.. Goodbye friend..

Just think of the reunion you will have when you next meet!

 

[Gunrunner]

I wonder what your thyroid levels look like. I was getting some blood work done and it included t4 t3 and both of them were very low. More research showed that HGH will do this. I started T4/T3 and will have some follow up lab work done but once the T4 kicks in I will drop the T3 until the cut cycle begins.

My wife and I both had symptoms of lethargy and achy joints. My wife felt better the day after taking 1 dose of T4, but it took me about a week.

Thyroid Hormone + Growth Hormone - If You Aren’t Using T4 with Your GH, You’re Not Doing It Right

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Yea, I was referring to the tren weekend..

I wonder what your thyroid levels look like. I was getting some blood work done and it included t4 t3 and both of them were very low. More research showed that HGH will do this. I started T4/T3 and will have some follow up lab work done but once the T4 kicks in I will drop the T3 until the cut cycle begins.

My wife and I both had symptoms of lethargy and achy joints. My wife felt better the day after taking 1 dose of T4, but it took me about a week.

Thyroid Hormone + Growth Hormone - If You Aren’t Using T4 with Your GH, You’re Not Doing It Right

Good read Gunz.. Using T3 or T4 always kinda seemed a little taboo to me. It's definitely worth testing for though, I'll have to see what my friends at private md labs charge!!

I've been on GH since August though and haven't had this problem up until I started the winny and var together.. I suspect the 100mg/day combo is probably the culprit.

 

[weekend]

Hey man, wanted to say you may want to taper your tren out. Just a thought, a friend told me it's brutal lethargy when you drop from 50+ mg to none in one day. They said they had a better time if they took a whole week to taper and then bumped test up for a week afterwards.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Hey man, wanted to say you may want to taper your tren out. Just a thought, a friend told me it's brutal lethargy when you drop from 50+ mg to none in one day. They said they had a better time if they took a whole week to taper and then bumped test up for a week afterwards.

Yea I was going to bump the test.. I'll look into the taper, thanks.. Did your friend say how long the lethargy lasts?!

 

[weekend]

he said it lasts about 2 weeks if you go cold turkey, and with the week long taper once he's off it it's just mild for a few days.

i dunno, no one else has ever said this though so you might be fine. i'll be tapering just because i think slower changes to hormones means less acne/immune issues(colds)/sleep issues

but i definitely think the tren is much more androgenic on the brain than test... test and DHT are known to increase dopamine, i think the tren does that powerfully. then you get a withdrawal because now we're acclimated to the extra dopamine.

 

[pittbox]

[)] Hahaha, I was just messing with you PB.. I wasn't sure if you were going pick up on that or not..

I definitely wouldn't have had this much progress without the drugs though, but that's just part of it.. The drugs don't go to the grocery store twice a week, do the food prep, eat the ridiculous amounts of food, lift the weights, or do the cardio..

I'm far from being the monster I aspire to be but feel like I'm doing ok for a guy with a job and a family... Thanks for all the kind words guys.. I was kinda nervous to post but I'm glad I did.

I gotcha bro.
I just hate when people try to take away from other peoples accomplishments.
Like when a guy swells up and some douchebag says "yeah but he's on the juice anyway".
Like all he had to do was stick a syringe in his ass and bam! Swolt!

Or when somebody bags a hot ass ol' lady and somebody else says "yeah but I heard she's a whore anyway". Then why didn't you bag her if it's that easy you ass hat?

Didn't want to sound like one of these douchers.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

he said it lasts about 2 weeks if you go cold turkey, and with the week long taper once he's off it it's just mild for a few days.

i dunno, no one else has ever said this though so you might be fine. i'll be tapering just because i think slower changes to hormones means less acne/immune issues(colds)/sleep issues

but i definitely think the tren is much more androgenic on the brain than test... test and DHT are known to increase dopamine, i think the tren does that powerfully. then you get a withdrawal because now we're acclimated to the extra dopamine.

I thought about it and I'm gonna try just dropping it.. If it's bad I'll crack open another vial and do the taper. Appreciate the heads up weekend.. I'll let you know how it goes man..

 

[tubesox]

Hello all, I've decided to log my cycle here for future reference as well as your enjoyment..

First a little background on where I'm at and how I got here for anyone who gives a shit... I'm currently 28 years old and 5'8". I lifted from the time I was 14 years old until I was around 23. I started cycling in my early 20's then I fell off because I was working and partying my ass off and wound up having to take a forced vacation for a year. I learned the errors of my ways and have gotten back on the right track thanks to the Big Guy upstairs and my wonderful wife who stuck with me through it all.

Anyway, I started working out again in November of last year, I was 165-170lbs.
Took a few months to get back into the swing of it but by March I was getting back on track, I got up to 200lbs naturally (muscle memory?). I joined this site which I had been reading for a while before and in May started a bulking cycle after I cut down to 190lbs. Dbol and test got me to 222.5lbs when it was all said and done at the end of July but I put on a little more fat than I would have liked eating over 5000 calories a day of anything and everything.

I kept pretty much all gains through PCT at the end of August which I greatly attribute to the Riptropin I was running at 5iu/day. I started dieting at the beginning off September which I'll get into more a little later when I get a few minutes..

LOL...i had a 12 month forced vacation too, but thats what started the whole bodybuilding lifestyle. Best of luck to ya bro.

 

[1forthegeeks]

Hey J,

I felt like you last week and decided against cracking my last vial. When your stuck at least switch up the compounds but in your case, your running such a spread I would just drop it and save it for later.

I didn't notice a drop in energy or emotion after dropping tren. In fact I felt my demeanor return to normal up until the point I used that tren base last Sunday!

I wouldn't waste the jug on a taper. I was at 75mg ed and it wasn't a huge deal.

 

[1forthegeeks]

Btw,

In about a year when you post a picture of your King Kong feet on a scale that's showing 250, just know I got an,

I told ya so

waiting right here on my coffee table...

 

[weekend]

I was not suggesting to crack a vial for the taper! Definitely a waste. Was just thinking maybe split that last 75 mg into 3 days at 25.