MESO-Rx Exclusive Trenbolone facts - series on unique characteristics of different steroids

[Type-IIx]

Here is some to get you started. The system temporarily paused my ability to download as it says I was downloading too much too quickly, so I will try again a bit later to get more.

Tremendous bro, thanks for the time (and bandwidth, along with hard data)!

 

[Type-IIx]

Interesting to think about but the French took Tren-Hex just as a mono-therapy, which is obviously worlds apart from its use among us gym rats.

I am really curious to learn about clinical outcomes of patients treated with the drug in this way.

I've thought the same! I suppose really sick people suffering from osteoporosis and/or cachexia have bigger fish to fry than sexy-time, and 60 mg i.m. q.w. could be just about right for them with respect to efficacy/tolerability.

More importantly, since these conditions are far more common in women than in men, it's of arguable merit that trenbolone is non-5α-reducible, and certainly non-5α-amplified.

 

[Excel.exe]

Here is some to get you started. The system temporarily paused my ability to download as it says I was downloading too much too quickly, so I will try again a bit later to get more.

You should publish these on https://archive.org/ after it comes back alive. Thanks for the hard work.

 

[Type-IIx]

Probably going against popular opinion here, but I think tren has a place in bulk cycles as well. Great for reducing fat gain in a surplus, strong recomp effects, as well as for adding quality tissue. I'm not saying tren should be the primary growth driver of the cycle, and would rely more on test and EQ for this aspect, but I find a dosage of 400mg tren enanthate/week to be highly effective with somewhat minimal sides

Agreed!

 

[Type-IIx]

Can anyone comment on the negative fertility impact of tren IF taking HCG + HMG? Already on test, mast and EQ. Need to get wife pregnant again in 1.5 years. Would like to avoid coming off this time…it was hell.

I am considering 10mg tren a per day.

It's possible to maintain fertility using hCG & hMG on any blast! Trenbolone is particularly suppressive though, just less so than MENT.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

It's possible to maintain fertility using hCG & hMG on any blast! Trenbolone is particularly suppressive though, just less so than MENT.

I appreciate the response from you. Just listened to your 007 podcast this morning - super interesting stuff, particularly your view on GIP and adipose accrual.

On the topic of tren + fertility, would you say that I have a substantially lower shot at keeping good sperm numbers adding in tren to an existing test, mast, primo / eq run than going without?

I don't expect you to be able to quantify...I've just always understood that 19nors are particularly bad on fertility parameters. Having just gone through hell and back...would like to avoid it again...but I'm willing risk it (a bit) to get the biscuit.

Thanks for your insight!

 

[BuildABro]

Tremendous bro, thanks for the time (and bandwidth, along with hard data)!

No worries, and it reminds me that I need to grab the rest of the articles and zip them for you as there are another dozen or so.

Interesting side note to this little exploration, but I have a minor IG and Youtube presence that is fitness and anabolics related. Nothing big, couple thousand subs. Anyway, after I made this discovery I posted about it on IG with appropriate tags and made a reel about it and a couple of hours later when I logged back in several pretty notable fitness influencers had reached out to me via DM asking if they could get copies, including Vigorous Steve, Well, likely just some joker than manages his social media accounts, but I thought it was cool nonetheless.

 

[Excel.exe]

No worries, and it reminds me that I need to grab the rest of the articles and zip them for you as there are another dozen or so.

Interesting side note to this little exploration, but I have a minor IG and Youtube presence that is fitness and anabolics related. Nothing big, couple thousand subs. Anyway, after I made this discovery I posted about it on IG with appropriate tags and made a reel about it and a couple of hours later when I logged back in several pretty notable fitness influencers had reached out to me via DM asking if they could get copies, including Vigorous Steve, Well, likely just some joker than manages his social media accounts, but I thought it was cool nonetheless.

Do not give it out for the exposure dollars.

 

[DECLAN]

No worries, and it reminds me that I need to grab the rest of the articles and zip them for you as there are another dozen or so.

Interesting side note to this little exploration, but I have a minor IG and Youtube presence that is fitness and anabolics related. Nothing big, couple thousand subs. Anyway, after I made this discovery I posted about it on IG with appropriate tags and made a reel about it and a couple of hours later when I logged back in several pretty notable fitness influencers had reached out to me via DM asking if they could get copies, including Vigorous Steve, Well, likely just some joker than manages his social media accounts, but I thought it was cool nonetheless.

Goddamn, I didn’t know you’re such a sleuth. Good stuff brother.

 

[bjjgear]

Probably going against popular opinion here, but I think tren has a place in bulk cycles as well. Great for reducing fat gain in a surplus, strong recomp effects, as well as for adding quality tissue. I'm not saying tren should be the primary growth driver of the cycle, and would rely more on test and EQ for this aspect, but I find a dosage of 400mg tren enanthate/week to be highly effective with somewhat minimal sides

Opinion is what it’d have to be because it’s certainly a fact that tren is an ideal bulking compound. And an ideal cutting compound. It’s test and tren… and the rest are a distance second in both categories

 

[BuildABro]

Goddamn, I didn’t know you’re such a sleuth. Good stuff brother.

Thanks bro, just took some detective work and the help of a couple of frenchies on social media pointing me in the right direction.

After everything gets translated I’m sure they will be uploaded here on Meso and someone much more scientifically literate than I am can go into more detail.

It’s really all we got in terms of Tren and human medical use, so it should prove interesting

 

[Type-IIx]

I appreciate the response from you. Just listened to your 007 podcast this morning - super interesting stuff, particularly your view on GIP and adipose accrual.

On the topic of tren + fertility, would you say that I have a substantially lower shot at keeping good sperm numbers adding in tren to an existing test, mast, primo / eq run than going without?

I don't expect you to be able to quantify...I've just always understood that 19nors are particularly bad on fertility parameters. Having just gone through hell and back...would like to avoid it again...but I'm willing risk it (a bit) to get the biscuit.

Thanks for your insight!

I'd say significantly rather than substantially, for whatever that's worth

 

[Type-IIx]

Do not give it out for the exposure dollars.

I'd say significantly rather than substantially, for whatever that's worth

@BuildABro FYI: so much research is in non-English languages, but my success rate with translation is virtually nil. I've already shared these around, not hopeful about getting anything useful back.

Think about it like this, who has time to sit down, read advanced conceptual work in another language and then have to translate that and all the mental work that connotes, without any remuneration or even, dare I say, enthusiasm for what it is we do: bodybuilding.

 

[BuildABro]

@BuildABro FYI: so much research is in non-English languages, but my success rate with translation is virtually nil. I've already shared these around, not hopeful about getting anything useful back.

Think about it like this, who has time to sit down, read advanced conceptual work in a language and then have to translate that and all the mental work that connotes, without any remuneration or even, dare I say, enthusiasm for what it is we do: bodybuilding.

Thanks for your efforts regardless bro!

 

[BuildABro]

I had a thought however. Couldn’t we just use adobe or some other software that uses OCR (optical character recognition) on the PDF’s to get a word doc of the French text and then send it through a translation program? Just sort of thinking aloud

 

[Type-IIx]

You're welcome to try!

My success rate: virtually nil

So think about this like this: There are elements, figures, charts, tables, graphs, that aren't text. Once you extract out the garbled shitty translation it's useless.

 

[Type-IIx]

But don't let my prior experience or cynicism deter you, @BuildABro give it a shot bro

 

[Trenbolonetax]

I'd say significantly rather than substantially, for whatever that's worth

Yeah, that is helpful. I’m gonna do the smart thing and abstain from tren. Dang. Guess I’ll just have to use more of this SLU-PP-332!

Appreciate the guidance.

 

[BuildABro]

But don't let my prior experience or cynicism deter you, @BuildABro give it a shot bro

I will give it a shot for sure. I can't give up now. I have come too far.

 

[BuildABro]

Just to update: The quality of the PDF's is quite poor since they are scans of old paper documents from the 1980's and 90s. As such I can't get OCR to do shit to pick them up properly. When I run it the resultant doc looks like gibberish when I try to then translate it. Sounds like Forrest Gump on acid if you were to try to actually read it.

This being said, there is much more advanced OCR software out there these days than shitty Abobe illustrator that I have on my cloud for work. So I may explore some additional options.