MESO-Rx Exclusive Trenbolone facts - series on unique characteristics of different steroids

[Mfras]

I think the argument people are trying to make is about peak concentrations and side effects manifesting at the top of the peak. Shorter esters peak faster/higher.

(The "release rates" are relative, I understand they're different for everyone and are only there to illustrate the point).

10mg of Ace EOD (35mg weekly) results in a release rate of 8mg/day. According the to planner, if you can tolerate a release rate of 8mg/day without sides, you could run 30mg of Enth 2x weekly (60mg weekly). Once you account for the ester weight you'd have around 30mg of Tren with Ace and 42mg of Tren with Enth.

Of course this is all completely theoretical but I think this is the argument people make about running longer esters higher.

I’ve only done acetate but my understanding is that E can be run higher because it actually has like 10% less hormone that actually gets released and used compared to identical concentration of A.

After finding I tolerate tren pretty well I grabbed a couple bottles of E and when (if) I use them the plan will be less pins and 10% more than I would have used with A, with the caveat that an edgy high blast would still be done with Acetate to enable rapid exit.

But let’s say I tolerate 400 tren A pretty well- my highest dose I’ve used. If I got to a lean place and wanted to polish and harden the look with a serious blast I’d use A and probably be in the 385/week range which is both slightly conservative and also a serious dose.

If I decide to use the Enanthate it would be in a stack, not necessarily as the primary driver, and probably be more like in the 2-300 range max out of respect for the compound’s unpredictability, and very likely more like in the 1-200 range for respectable benefits and minimal harm.

In a case of slightly more YOLO but still not invincible abuse let’s say 500 tren A was the dose. The equal dose of E would be around 550. It would be less pinning and the ester release would mean more smoothness and more of a ramp up and down to full saturation at the beginning and end of the cycle- not some crazy stacking effect where by week 4 you’re on 1500mg or something.

At least that’s my understanding and concept of dosing protocols, including my personal strategies for harm reduction. If you’re a stage BB by all means bang 900/week but I’m definitely not.

 

[bismail23]

It was a great read

 

[dasking]

At least that’s my understanding and concept of dosing protocols, including my personal strategies for harm reduction. If you’re a stage BB by all means bang 900/week but I’m definitely not.

Interesting, thanks for taking the time to share brother. You got me thinking.
I likely have just misinterpreted part of your statement. When your saying these comparisons of tren A vs E dosages. Have you accounted for the half life of the Enanthate stacking? Or are you referencing something like starting with ace and using E intermittently and going back to Ace?

I know personally MG per MG I have a harder time with Enanthate. I cant wrap my brain around it, but 2 weeks into 300 to 400 Enanthate. Very rapidly I feel like im breathing through a straw and the insomnia hits harder. Maybe if I pin ace daily it be the same?

 

[Mfras]

Interesting, thanks for taking the time to share brother. You got me thinking.
I likely have just misinterpreted part of your statement. When your saying these comparisons of tren A vs E dosages. Have you accounted for the half life of the Enanthate stacking? Or are you referencing something like starting with ace and using E intermittently and going back to Ace?

I know personally MG per MG I have a harder time with Enanthate. I cant wrap my brain around it, but 2 weeks into 300 to 400 Enanthate. Very rapidly I feel like im breathing through a straw and the insomnia hits harder. Maybe if I pin ace daily it be the same?

I don’t believe that the stacking effect is in play as much as the steroid plotter site would have you believe. Mg per week is still mg per week.

 

[Thecarrier]

I don’t believe that the stacking effect is in play as much as the steroid plotter site would have you believe. Mg per week is still mg per week.

But be aware, I know what I am going to comment is true for me but might be not for someone else as we reacted different person to person. I ran Tren A and Tren E in 2 different cycle, same dosage, the one I tolerated the most when I first try Tren A. My conclusion: 2 different cycle as I couldn’t handle a dose of Tren e that I was able to on tren a, for this compound the long ester has a totally different effect I don’t know really why but I got all the sides effect report from Tren users while on Tren A I was totally ok…

 

[heavydutygorilla]

So what's the lowest tren dose that you think you could run for the longest and still see some result? Like 5mg ed for 16 wks?

Honestly planning on running for 10 weeks and then assessing it from there and getting bloods done again. Still at the same dose and still having great results with my current regimen. Daily I'm having people compliment on "looking leaner!" and "you're looking jacked man!" so I know it's not just me "seeing" what I want to see and that it's observed by people who have no idea, coworkers, family, friends and gym bros all have noticed my changes in the last month heavily. My gear/drug approach has always been getting the most I can out of the least amount needed and this experiment, hands down one of the best results I've seen with that approach.