MESO-Rx Exclusive Trenbolone facts - series on unique characteristics of different steroids

[Mfras]

I think the argument people are trying to make is about peak concentrations and side effects manifesting at the top of the peak. Shorter esters peak faster/higher.

(The "release rates" are relative, I understand they're different for everyone and are only there to illustrate the point).

10mg of Ace EOD (35mg weekly) results in a release rate of 8mg/day. According the to planner, if you can tolerate a release rate of 8mg/day without sides, you could run 30mg of Enth 2x weekly (60mg weekly). Once you account for the ester weight you'd have around 30mg of Tren with Ace and 42mg of Tren with Enth.

Of course this is all completely theoretical but I think this is the argument people make about running longer esters higher.

I’ve only done acetate but my understanding is that E can be run higher because it actually has like 10% less hormone that actually gets released and used compared to identical concentration of A.

After finding I tolerate tren pretty well I grabbed a couple bottles of E and when (if) I use them the plan will be less pins and 10% more than I would have used with A, with the caveat that an edgy high blast would still be done with Acetate to enable rapid exit.

But let’s say I tolerate 400 tren A pretty well- my highest dose I’ve used. If I got to a lean place and wanted to polish and harden the look with a serious blast I’d use A and probably be in the 385/week range which is both slightly conservative and also a serious dose.

If I decide to use the Enanthate it would be in a stack, not necessarily as the primary driver, and probably be more like in the 2-300 range max out of respect for the compound’s unpredictability, and very likely more like in the 1-200 range for respectable benefits and minimal harm.

In a case of slightly more YOLO but still not invincible abuse let’s say 500 tren A was the dose. The equal dose of E would be around 550. It would be less pinning and the ester release would mean more smoothness and more of a ramp up and down to full saturation at the beginning and end of the cycle- not some crazy stacking effect where by week 4 you’re on 1500mg or something.

At least that’s my understanding and concept of dosing protocols, including my personal strategies for harm reduction. If you’re a stage BB by all means bang 900/week but I’m definitely not.

 

[bismail23]

It was a great read

 

[dasking]

At least that’s my understanding and concept of dosing protocols, including my personal strategies for harm reduction. If you’re a stage BB by all means bang 900/week but I’m definitely not.

Interesting, thanks for taking the time to share brother. You got me thinking.
I likely have just misinterpreted part of your statement. When your saying these comparisons of tren A vs E dosages. Have you accounted for the half life of the Enanthate stacking? Or are you referencing something like starting with ace and using E intermittently and going back to Ace?

I know personally MG per MG I have a harder time with Enanthate. I cant wrap my brain around it, but 2 weeks into 300 to 400 Enanthate. Very rapidly I feel like im breathing through a straw and the insomnia hits harder. Maybe if I pin ace daily it be the same?

 

[Mfras]

Interesting, thanks for taking the time to share brother. You got me thinking.
I likely have just misinterpreted part of your statement. When your saying these comparisons of tren A vs E dosages. Have you accounted for the half life of the Enanthate stacking? Or are you referencing something like starting with ace and using E intermittently and going back to Ace?

I know personally MG per MG I have a harder time with Enanthate. I cant wrap my brain around it, but 2 weeks into 300 to 400 Enanthate. Very rapidly I feel like im breathing through a straw and the insomnia hits harder. Maybe if I pin ace daily it be the same?

I don’t believe that the stacking effect is in play as much as the steroid plotter site would have you believe. Mg per week is still mg per week.

 

[Thecarrier]

I don’t believe that the stacking effect is in play as much as the steroid plotter site would have you believe. Mg per week is still mg per week.

But be aware, I know what I am going to comment is true for me but might be not for someone else as we reacted different person to person. I ran Tren A and Tren E in 2 different cycle, same dosage, the one I tolerated the most when I first try Tren A. My conclusion: 2 different cycle as I couldn’t handle a dose of Tren e that I was able to on tren a, for this compound the long ester has a totally different effect I don’t know really why but I got all the sides effect report from Tren users while on Tren A I was totally ok…

 

[heavydutygorilla]

So what's the lowest tren dose that you think you could run for the longest and still see some result? Like 5mg ed for 16 wks?

Honestly planning on running for 10 weeks and then assessing it from there and getting bloods done again. Still at the same dose and still having great results with my current regimen. Daily I'm having people compliment on "looking leaner!" and "you're looking jacked man!" so I know it's not just me "seeing" what I want to see and that it's observed by people who have no idea, coworkers, family, friends and gym bros all have noticed my changes in the last month heavily. My gear/drug approach has always been getting the most I can out of the least amount needed and this experiment, hands down one of the best results I've seen with that approach.

 

[dasking]

But be aware, I know what I am going to comment is true for me but might be not for someone else as we reacted different person to person. I ran Tren A and Tren E in 2 different cycle, same dosage, the one I tolerated the most when I first try Tren A. My conclusion: 2 different cycle as I couldn’t handle a dose of Tren e that I was able to on tren a, for this compound the long ester has a totally different effect I don’t know really why but I got all the sides effect report from Tren users while on Tren A I was totally ok…

My thought is just that half life, inevitably unless pin daily with ace your serum concentrations drop considerably between shots vs enanthate that just stacks slightly for a few weeks. For myself a 100mg change in Tren is drastic.

Tren if I use it now im just using ace it serves little requirements in my life. Can't deny i love how I feel with just 100 ace in me after just running sport "trt" for a couple months. I can feel that ≈33.333mg of tren.

 

[Mfras]

My thought is just that half life, inevitably unless pin daily with ace your serum concentrations drop considerably between shots vs enanthate that just stacks slightly for a few weeks. For myself a 100mg change in Tren is drastic.

Tren if I use it now im just using ace it serves little requirements in my life. Can't deny i love how I feel with just 100 ace in me after just running sport "trt" for a couple months. I can feel that ≈33.333mg of tren.

33.3mg daily is 233/week, 100mg/week is just over 14mg/day, 100mg every 3 days would be a rollercoaster.

Your numbers are confusing to me- you’re pinning daily? How much and what benefits are you seeing?

 

[dasking]

33.3mg daily is 233/week, 100mg/week is just over 14mg/day, 100mg every 3 days would be a rollercoaster.

Your numbers are confusing to me- you’re pinning daily? How much and what benefits are you seeing?

im pinning 3x weekly 100mg split 3x with my normal trt is what I just referenced. I mentioned pinning eod at most. I said unless pinning daily. or atleast meant to say with my trt split 3x at the end there 2 late 2 edit

lol 100 mg of ace in one go would be rough for me 2

 

[dasking]

33.3mg daily is 233/week, 100mg/week is just over 14mg/day, 100mg every 3 days would be a rollercoaster.

Your numbers are confusing to me- you’re pinning daily? How much and what benefits are you seeing?

As far as benefits im shocked I can feel anything from it after my last ridiculous blast. I immediately got that extra glycogen boost in my muscles and some extra pep in my step, sex drive ramped up dramatically. But my only intention was a short go of ace to rebound a little faster and get my drive to do so up a little after taking a month off the gym due to family issues.

YES I know not ideal usage model im just being honest. I have a birthday a bitches lined up in a couple weeks

 

[Mfras]

As far as benefits im shocked I can feel anything from it after my last ridiculous blast. I immediately got that extra glycogen boost in my muscles and some extra pep in my step, sex drive ramped up dramatically. But my only intention was a short go of ace to rebound a little faster and get my drive to do so up a little after taking a month off the gym due to family issues.

YES I know not ideal usage model im just being honest. I have a birthday a bitches lined up in a couple weeks

Get yourself a bi smokeshow that likes going to swinger’s clubs- birthday bitches every weekend Maybe that’s why tren didn’t give me any sexual deviance- porn is boring when all the crazy scenes look like the shit you did last Saturday…

Decided to end my tren run yesterday- don’t think I’m gonna see any more benefits and never really got uncomfortable sides other than a little heartburn that never got bad, all the way up to 400mg/week.

I didn’t really get the 3-5x as strong as test thing out of it, but I’m convinced that at least for me and in a defecit trenbolone is more of a polisher than a muscle & strength building drug. I can see how at 10% bf it would be an amazing transformation but at just above 15% it was ‘eh’. That seems to be the real arguement for ‘stage bb only’- not that it’s soo strong but more like it’s most useful in that peeled lean scenario.

But maybe if people can run it at or above 500mg and manage to eat in a surplus it would throw some nice meat on you? The productive cycle length is real short compared to even NPP and there’s no comparison to how much FFM could jump up on a nice long deca cycle.

But then there’s the Nick Walkers of the world and a couple tren addicts in every gym walking around with beach balls for delts so I dunno…

 

[dasking]

But maybe if people can run it at or above 500mg and manage to eat in a surplus it would throw some nice meat on you? The productive cycle length is real short compared to even NPP and there’s no comparison to how much FFM could jump up on a nice long deca cycle.

But then there’s the Nick Walkers of the world and a couple tren addicts in every gym walking around with beach balls for delts so I dunno…

Look up Trenemy, on YT. Perfect example of some of what you just described.

For myself anything I gain from tren is lost just as fast unless I use it in short stints already on a longer cycle for strength boosts. Or as a minor aid essentially but as the main driver its just not worth it for me either. I can work up to 2g of test but 400-500 tren im walking around with an inhaler and it murders my BP worse then anything ive run so far. NOT saying 2g of test is a normal thing for me or benign. (I had a let's see what I can tolerate phase)

 

[xrayphoton13]

Get yourself a bi smokeshow that likes going to swinger’s clubs- birthday bitches every weekend Maybe that’s why tren didn’t give me any sexual deviance- porn is boring when all the crazy scenes look like the shit you did last Saturday…

Decided to end my tren run yesterday- don’t think I’m gonna see any more benefits and never really got uncomfortable sides other than a little heartburn that never got bad, all the way up to 400mg/week.

I didn’t really get the 3-5x as strong as test thing out of it, but I’m convinced that at least for me and in a defecit trenbolone is more of a polisher than a muscle & strength building drug. I can see how at 10% bf it would be an amazing transformation but at just above 15% it was ‘eh’. That seems to be the real arguement for ‘stage bb only’- not that it’s soo strong but more like it’s most useful in that peeled lean scenario.

But maybe if people can run it at or above 500mg and manage to eat in a surplus it would throw some nice meat on you? The productive cycle length is real short compared to even NPP and there’s no comparison to how much FFM could jump up on a nice long deca cycle.

But then there’s the Nick Walkers of the world and a couple tren addicts in every gym walking around with beach balls for delts so I dunno…

Is it rumored Nick Walker likes to bulk on tren? I'm just curious

 

[Mfras]

Is it rumored Nick Walker likes to bulk on tren? I'm just curious

I’ve never been in the same room as him let alone talked to him. I’m beyond nobody and know nothing, and if I could remember where I heard that I’m sure it would amount to something said by someone even dumber than me.