Grab Bag
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I was gonna say the same thing.... who was it that used to always use that excuse?
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Grab Bag
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His attention to detail is godlike.
Grab Bag
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What do you mean by “at least 10.5” and “close to 11?” Do you not have a set level you fill all of them at? Do you not have an accurate filling apparatus?
What’s up with the inconsistency here?
This is why we ask for pictures of your lab setup....
This is what a previous lab submitted as their “dispensing” equipment.
Obviously not acceptable. That’s why we are leery when we see uneven fill levels.
This is what a previous lab submitted as their “dispensing” equipment.
Obviously not acceptable. That’s why we are leery when we see uneven fill levels.
I outlined what I use to vial multiple times. After sterilization dispensers have to be calibrated. If you look at the pictures posted one vial had more than the others because it was topped off. If I was using such a crude method the smart thing for me to do would be to purchase vials that only hold 11ml of liquid and fill them all to the top creating semi even fill levels which is what he appears to be doing in that picture.
While injecting you lose product to the lumen of your syringe. Overfilling does nothing but benefit the end user. I could ensure that vials are filled to 10ml exactly but who would this benefit? Just me. It would save me hundreds of dollars worth of product over time. Everything about my process is about giving the best product possible for the price. If my customers want exactly 10ml and no overfill or topping off I can certainly make that happen.
While injecting you lose product to the lumen of your syringe. Overfilling does nothing but benefit the end user. I could ensure that vials are filled to 10ml exactly but who would this benefit? Just me. It would save me hundreds of dollars worth of product over time. Everything about my process is about giving the best product possible for the price. If my customers want exactly 10ml and no overfill or topping off I can certainly make that happen.
Point being, it’s one thing if you’re dispensing with a CRUDE setup or whether you’re filling within a hood with an automatic dispenser. Which is why a lot of these questions casting doubt would be headed off with some really cool pictures of your high-tech setup.
You could see how guys can easily claim opsec to hide their shitty “lab”.
So why do your labels say “Bar BENDER Bodies”??
I like how you're trying to justify your crap fills like you're doing the customer a favor and how much money you'd save if you simply did it professionally. Sounds like a bunch of b.s. like the opsec issues of your imaginary lab.
You had a pillow soft vetting as opposed to the past and you're still fucking it up. Imagine how much you'll save on raws when you don't need to buy any for restock. Your 3 months experience is showing.
You had a pillow soft vetting as opposed to the past and you're still fucking it up. Imagine how much you'll save on raws when you don't need to buy any for restock. Your 3 months experience is showing.
BobbySweeney
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BigBaldGuy not sure if you ever home brewed, but if that dispenser you pictured had a plastic shield around it and it wasn't a 7 inch drop from the dispenser to the vial, what would be wrong with it? Anything?
Home brewers use a syringe with a filter in line and squirt straight into the vial.
One vial filled with more compound. Basically free gear equates to "crap fills"? As this has been brought to light several customers have emailed me saying they like my practice of topping off and overfilling. Customers from this board that have bought product. My order volume here started high and has consistently grown.
BobbySweeney
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Obviously people are mixed on how important an expensive lab setup is; but I bet there isn't a single UGL brewing in the USA who has a setup that cost north of 10k. Probably not even 5k for most labs.
China? Sure, they have fancy shit. With them you just have to worry about literally everything else besides their lab.
China? Sure, they have fancy shit. With them you just have to worry about literally everything else besides their lab.
Actually you win that one, I'll be fixing it. I've been playing with some pharma type labels and I am thinking about making the switch.
That’s why home brewers can make shit for less than $3 a vial. If these sources want to charge what they charge they really should have a better process, right?
Google “laminar flow hood”. See how that would be really fucking cool? Keeps everything in the filling process nice and clean.
Now Google “peristaltic filling machine”. Boom. Level fills each and every time.
If a lab had this equipment, I’d think they would want to show it off. It’s what separates a professional from a hack. $3 from $30
Or you don’t care?
You didn’t notice your own labels are wrong? Oh brother.
So the “attention to detail is godlike” quip is spot on. I think @Grab Bag has that trademarked.
BobbySweeney
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I care, but I highly doubt he has a peristaltic filling machine.
What he likely has is a clean room tent with filters and negative pressure; like an inflatable paint booth off amazon.
He wipes everything down with bleach, Lysol, and rubbing alcohol in there.
He walks in there and uses this hooked to 1000ml Pyrex bottle to fill his sterile vials and crimps them:
If a source has $5k in equipment you would buy from them vs the source doing it with $250 of home brew equipment.
The more expensive equipment will provide a better quality product on a larger scale. There’s a lot of volume on MESO so if you’re trying to source with cheap equipment eventually your going to be so rushed that you start cutting corners. That’s not good.
There’s been sources that reinvest profits into new lab equipment. There’s also sources that invest their profit in their recreational drug habit.
Tell yourself what you'd like hair bear. A couple one hit wonders came over singing your praises and a couple guys tried you out. I'm sure thats steady growth. You saying people are happy doesn't mean a damn thing. Everything you've said has been said by failed labs before. Ocd, its all about the customer blah blah blah. None of them are still here. There's always a couple dick riders who defend and jump on early then they're nowhere to be found when you go to shit. I doubt I'll be here to watch you flame out and burn members so ill give you a preemptive go fuck yourself for when you do.
If he’s using Lysol then we’re all fucked.
Did he show you pictures? How do you know it’s not his stovetop and his 12 year old isn’t sitting at the kitchen table filling the vials?
A peristaltic filling machine isn’t very expensive by the way. You need to up your expectations.
"Better quality product, on a larger scale"
Scale being the key word. I've seen homebrew stuff made with a few beakers and a bunsun burner be just as good as anything else when the right person is brewing.
But, he couldn't make very much at a time.
The fancy lab is what kicks up the volume and helps keep the consistent results.
but at the end of the day, it's either good gear or not. Regardless of equipment.
