Trying to up bench

I would add a warm up single between 185 and 285 at 235.
Thanks for the help. What about the timing of when to start pushing with withy legs?

I probably had one set of 225x2 but forgot to write it in my book. I usually swap 45s and 25s as I go up.

One light chest day Wednesday and I hope to hit 300 on Saturday.
 
Thanks for the help. What about the timing of when to start pushing with withy legs?

I probably had one set of 225x2 but forgot to write it in my book. I usually swap 45s and 25s as I go up.

One light chest day Wednesday and I hope to hit 300 on Saturday.

I push through my heels when I unrack to keep my feet planted. I keep steady pressure through the heeIs as I lower the bar then drive really hard when pushing the bar off of the chest. Others maintain a steady leg drive from unrack through the press but I've found my method works better for me. Also, leg drive is more vital on paused reps than touch n go.
 
Hey roco what's up ,nice lift man .
Switching techniques on a power lift can be frustrating at first but rewarding in time , as a little time passes ,you will lose a little strength, 10-15 # but you will regain it back ,+ another 10# in 2 months. Not sure if you remember the overhead dumbbell presses I thought would help , but these are great practice also for your bench , digging your shoulders in having great core stability an adjusting your feet all in one movement. Take care roco
 
Hey roco what's up ,nice lift man .
Switching techniques on a power lift can be frustrating at first but rewarding in time , as a little time passes ,you will lose a little strength, 10-15 # but you will regain it back ,+ another 10# in 2 months. Not sure if you remember the overhead dumbbell presses I thought would help , but these are great practice also for your bench , digging your shoulders in having great core stability an adjusting your feet all in one movement. Take care roco
My bad, flat bench dumbbell pullover
 
Little late posting my Saturday heavy day. My weight still dropped slightly even though I have been eating a lot. Was 226.4 last week 224.6 this Saturday and 224 today. It went like this:

Flat bench
135x5
185x5
225x2
275x1
300x1
295x1-2
275x2
225x5

Incline bench
135x10
225x6
250x4-2
225x6
135x20

I then dicked around with incline DB 5 set of 12 with 80lbs. I have a hard time controlling DBs so I was practicing.Then some dips.

I videoed it but my regular partner was not there so you can't see my feet but my spotter is clearly visible. Next week I will have my regular back and she will do it right.

With these numbers what should my Wed chest day look like and should I change anything next Sat or just repeat this workout? The 300lbs went up but was probably my max. For some reason it did not hurt to do it and I was not sore the next day. It just went up slightly slower then I would have liked.

Thanks for the help.
Rocco
 
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If I ever wanted to try a small local competition, what type of numbers would I need at 230lbs and 54 years old? Also can you just bench or would I have to deadlift also? Where do you look to find them in your area?

Thanks
RtD
 
If I ever wanted to try a small local competition, what type of numbers would I need at 230lbs and 54 years old? Also can you just bench or would I have to deadlift also? Where do you look to find them in your area?

Thanks
RtD

You don't need any numbers. The competition is as much vs yourself as it is everyone else. For this reason your primary goal is to set PRs on the platform not beat the rest of the competitors. In most Feds you'd need to cut down to 220 or lift at 242 in your current weight (maybe bulk up to 242), or I think a fed might have a 230lb class but not sure.

You can do bench only, you can do push/pull (bench and deadlift), you can do full power (all 3).
 
Thanks Doc. I guess I should go to one and watch first. What did you think of Saturdays workout? Too much, too little or about right? Any suggestions on what my light cest day should be on Wednesday?
 
Thanks Doc. I guess I should go to one and watch first. What did you think of Saturdays workout? Too much, too little or about right? Any suggestions on what my light cest day should be on Wednesday?

Go to powerliftingwatch and check for various Feds and what not to see for a meet close to you. I lift in the RPS fed personally.

Your workout looked fine. It's hard to tell without seeing vids and you actually lift to gauge bar speed and form deterioration but so long as you see progress without an undue amount of soreness and fatigue you're doing fine.

For light chest day, do you actually mean chest day or do you mean light bench day? :D I'd do the latter lol
 
I don't know if you have tried this but I like to do slow negatives with a buddy pushing on the bar to make it harder. If i can hold it half way i make him work for it to try to make the bar drop. talk about a burn in the muscle. idk about safety but i like doing them on occasion. something different to confuse your muscles to get them to grow. i'll also hit some curls like that every few weeks.
 
@Docd187123 Thanks for the info. I am enjoying getting stronger so a comp might be the incentive I need to push harder.

I meant light bench day. Light bench day is Wednsday and heavy bench is Saturday. Chest is done right after both bench work outs.

I will upload the video tomorrow. I don't want to miss out on the opportunity to make improvements due to your help.

Thank you
Rocco
 
@Docd187123 Thanks for the info. I am enjoying getting stronger so a comp might be the incentive I need to push harder.

I meant light bench day. Light bench day is Wednsday and heavy bench is Saturday. Chest is done right after both bench work outs.

I will upload the video tomorrow. I don't want to miss out on the opportunity to make improvements due to your help.

Thank you
Rocco

Teasing about the bench and chest days lol.

For a light day maybe do 2-3sets of 5 at 65% or so maybe 3x3 and even though the weights should feel somewhat light don't take it as an excuse to go easy. Bar speed should be fast throughout the entire ROM and form should be crisp and on point. Follow it up with some DB work either inclined or overhead. Hit the lats with some high rep work like pullups, Pendlay rows, horizontal plane lat pulldowns, etc, and hit some triceps and biceps call it a day.
 
This is the vid from Saturday's bench of 300lbs. I feel like it was a shit show.The girl videoing did not get my feet and the guy spotting threw me off when he reached for the bar. Good help is hard to find these days. lol All i keep hearing from people who see it is that I am not tight. I thought I was? Maybe I don't know what tight is. I also did not like the way I bounced the bar off my chest. I would have liked the transition to be smoother.

Wed light bench day was as follows:
flat bench
135x12
185x10
205x6-5 sets
205x8
135x30 <--I think that will count as cardio

incline bench
135x12
185x8
225x6
245x2
225x5
135x12

pull overs (haven't done them since to '80's)
4 sets 70x10
body weight dips four sets 12

Now the questions. 205 seemed too light for sets of six. I could have easily done 10 to 12 on the fist sets. should I just stop at 6 to leave gas in the tank for the up coming sets? Should I have done more sets of 205x6 until 6 reps was pushing it? What am i supposed to be doing to get/feel tight (please don't say Kegel Exercises) Saturday is heavy bench. Should I stay with the singles at 95% or is it better to do doubles or triples on occasion at a slightly lighter weight.

Thanks
Rocco
 
This is the vid from Saturday's bench of 300lbs. I feel like it was a shit show.The girl videoing did not get my feet and the guy spotting threw me off when he reached for the bar. Good help is hard to find these days. lol All i keep hearing from people who see it is that I am not tight. I thought I was? Maybe I don't know what tight is. I also did not like the way I bounced the bar off my chest. I would have liked the transition to be smoother.

Wed light bench day was as follows:
flat bench
135x12
185x10
205x6-5 sets
205x8
135x30 <--I think that will count as cardio

incline bench
135x12
185x8
225x6
245x2
225x5
135x12

pull overs (haven't done them since to '80's)
4 sets 70x10
body weight dips four sets 12

Now the questions. 205 seemed too light for sets of six. I could have easily done 10 to 12 on the fist sets. should I just stop at 6 to leave gas in the tank for the up coming sets? Should I have done more sets of 205x6 until 6 reps was pushing it? What am i supposed to be doing to get/feel tight (please don't say Kegel Exercises) Saturday is heavy bench. Should I stay with the singles at 95% or is it better to do doubles or triples on occasion at a slightly lighter weight.

Thanks
Rocco


Rocco,

That bench looked ok. Not great but not horrible either. Out of the 3 Powerlifts bench is the most technical lift and there is a large learning curve in learning how to bench for strength vs benching like everyone else.

You were not tight enough. The way your upper body moved on the un rack shows you could have gotten tighter. It also shows why it's better to let the spotter lift the bar to you. Secondly, from what I can see of your feet they were moving throughout the lift which will waste some kinetic energy. Now you may move a but during an extremely heavy attempt at or close to your sticking point but IMO I saw too much movement. Not sloppy but definitely worth it to keep working on your set up.

Another thing I noticed was the bar path. It didn't come down as straight as it could have. It starts higher up in your chest, during the eccentric it curves down towards the lower part and touches around sternum area, then in the concentric portion it curves back towards your upper chest. Try working in as straight a bar path as possible.

The transition from eccentric to concentric on bench is important bc it can help you complete a lift you would've missed. As you come down imagine your chest and pecs are stretching along with some other musculature. Soon as the bar touches the chest you need to explode upwards with everything you have. Be explosive. For raw lifters the first 1-3in off the chest is the usually sticking point and having good force production could break through that part of the ROM. This is why paused bench press is so good. You pause on the chest for a 1-5ct then explode upwards.

Recommendations:
1) keep working on the setup. If you want material to read lemme know and I'll link some
2) work in a straight bar path
3) work on transitioning from the eccentric to concentric and add in some paused bench reps in your training
4) strengthen the primary movers at the bottom to help break your weak points ie triceps, delts, lats, and upper back muscles
5) the more reps you do with better form the better your form gets. Obvious but ppl don't think of it. PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE

the good news in all of this you ask? Well even if the spotter didn't touch the bar you had that lift. It had pretty damned good speed for being a heavy bench. And considering the few form tweaks above, once you improve those you should easily add another 10-30lbs easy to your max bench.
 
@Docd187123 i skimmed your post and it seem like it is some great advise. I will read it in detail a few times to make sure i get the full advantage of info. Wed is supposed to be light benching and I just got in from the gym and my head is shaking as mush as my arms. I went heavier then planed and I will lay it out after Saturdays heavy bench day. First vid was a 305lb epic fail. I think it it was more psychological then a strength problem. On the way down it felt like I deflated. Second vid was 295lb about 3 minuets later and it felt much lighter then 305lb.

135x5
185x3
225x1
275x1
305 fail
295x1
275x1
275x1
275x2
225x6

Tonight (Wednesday) should have been light bench but it went like this because I was short on time and feeling strong
135x5
185x3
225x2
275x1
300x1
295x1
275x2
225x8
135x15

As soon as I got home I read your above post and realized I should have gone lighter and practiced the form instead of going heavy.I feel what you are talking about when it comes to bar path I did not know what I was doing but it felt awkward. I still don't know what "tight" feels like, so any links would be greatly appreciated. Also in connection with missing the 305lb on saturday,I take Letrozole every 10 days and it just happened to fall the day before the 305lb fail. Could the drop in E2 cause weakness?

Thanks for the help, I hope to post up a dead lift thread soon since I must be doing them wrong also. I keep smashing my shins and I get back pain afterwards.

Thanks
Rocco
 
When you setup for a heavy bench it should be very hard to keep your setup for a set of more than 5reps or so. Tight feels uncomfortable. Tight will cramp your low back and your quads. Tight will feel like a compressed spring on the struts in your car. You'll feel coiled up ready to explode. Tight feels like you were welded to the bench and immovable once setup.

One quick tip, after the hand off, wait for a second at lockout before beginning the press. Notice how almost as soon as the spotter's hands leave the bar you begin your descent? Take a quick second or two more to find that sweet spot in terms of horizontal bar placement so your arms are perpendicular to the ground. It'll also give you a second extra to confirm tightness all around.

I don't think it was a strength or even a mental issue in failing the 305. It was totally just coming loose at the bottom. You said you felt deflated coming down. That sounds like you lost your coil/spring back you'd have from being tight. Notice how in both videos your entire body is flailing around. This is bc your setup still needs work. It will take time and practice but it will come.

Less water can impact your lifts yes. I think any effect the letro had though wouldn't be noticeable bc of the more important factors above.
 
@Docd187123 i skimmed your post and it seem like it is some great advise. I will read it in detail a few times to make sure i get the full advantage of info. Wed is supposed to be light benching and I just got in from the gym and my head is shaking as mush as my arms. I went heavier then planed and I will lay it out after Saturdays heavy bench day. First vid was a 305lb epic fail. I think it it was more psychological then a strength problem. On the way down it felt like I deflated. Second vid was 295lb about 3 minuets later and it felt much lighter then 305lb.

135x5
185x3
225x1
275x1
305 fail
295x1
275x1
275x1
275x2
225x6

Tonight (Wednesday) should have been light bench but it went like this because I was short on time and feeling strong
135x5
185x3
225x2
275x1
300x1
295x1
275x2
225x8
135x15

As soon as I got home I read your above post and realized I should have gone lighter and practiced the form instead of going heavy.I feel what you are talking about when it comes to bar path I did not know what I was doing but it felt awkward. I still don't know what "tight" feels like, so any links would be greatly appreciated. Also in connection with missing the 305lb on saturday,I take Letrozole every 10 days and it just happened to fall the day before the 305lb fail. Could the drop in E2 cause weakness?

Thanks for the help, I hope to post up a dead lift thread soon since I must be doing them wrong also. I keep smashing my shins and I get back pain afterwards.

Thanks
Rocco

Well, considering......I have been the one to video and witness and oh my......Im not there and you put up 300 (picture the two finger air quotes ) IDK Puppy ;) In the next two weeks after the race Sunday when I put up 140# I will have to make sure you are there. If not...it didn't happen..I don't make the rules...
 
When you setup for a heavy bench it should be very hard to keep your setup for a set of more than 5reps or so. Tight feels uncomfortable. Tight will cramp your low back and your quads. Tight will feel like a compressed spring on the struts in your car. You'll feel coiled up ready to explode. Tight feels like you were welded to the bench and immovable once setup.

One quick tip, after the hand off, wait for a second at lockout before beginning the press. Notice how almost as soon as the spotter's hands leave the bar you begin your descent? Take a quick second or two more to find that sweet spot in terms of horizontal bar placement so your arms are perpendicular to the ground. It'll also give you a second extra to confirm tightness all around.

I don't think it was a strength or even a mental issue in failing the 305. It was totally just coming loose at the bottom. You said you felt deflated coming down. That sounds like you lost your coil/spring back you'd have from being tight. Notice how in both videos your entire body is flailing around. This is bc your setup still needs work. It will take time and practice but it will come.

Less water can impact your lifts yes. I think any effect the letro had though wouldn't be noticeable bc of the more important factors above.

Fucking cramps! lol I get them fairly often in the lower back, quads, hips, hamstrings and I'm always on the verge of getting them when benching. Stretching my legs between sets helps quite a bit.
 
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