(US) Long term stash planning BIG Thread

[Ghoul]

With the sun setting on the "Golden Age of Cheap and Easy Chinese Gear", it's time to share ideas about long term planning.

-What are your "can't live without" essentials?

-How much of a "buffer" supply to ride out supply disruptions do you need to feel secure?

-How will you maximize storage life?

 

[pipo]

Where did you get that info that easy Chinese gear era ending from? Got any inside info from Tony? You heard something when you massage him?
Nothing has changed. Same story as every year.

 

[Ghoul]

Where did you get that info that easy Chinese gear era ending from? Got any inside info from Tony? You heard something when you massage him?
Nothing has changed. Same story as every year.

The only people who don't recognize a muscular customs enforcement regime is imminent are those not paying attention.

The de minimus loophole, which is the only reason the floodgates to Chinese gear opened wide, will cease to exist in its current form.

The Chinese suppliers know this. It's their primary motivation for opening US warehouses. The direct shipping from China model will be coming an end, because just like it wasn't practical 20 years ago due to the high likelihood of getting seized, it's going to return to that. Plenty of European countries are already "No reship" "High risk" locations because they're not dealing with the surge of small packs from China de minimus enabled in the US, overwhelming custom's ability to screen them.

It's the shipping equivalent of 100 people mobbing a retail store and all rushing through the doors with stolen goods. The crackdown has been slow in coming, but the pieces are all in place, and with the election behind us it's going to be full speed ahead.

And to preempt the clown car that'll be pulling up, I said the end of "Cheap and Easy", not "unavailable at any price".

 

[bigMoJo]

This is a rather morbid thread Ghoul. None of those laws have yet passed. As you said, now the election is over, congress will get back to doing what it always does... nothing.

With this new administration, the first order of business will be tax cuts. Regardless of party, don't think there will be walls or health care or de minis or anything meaningful coming from this congress. Especially since re-election is no longer an influence. Stopping the trade flow from China, or any other country, will not be entertained in the least. This administration wants the trade flood doors open full throttle, since much it has its hands in is dependent on it.

This administration wants less government, less enforcement, and more money... facilitating it's own kleptocracy is top priority.

 

[Ghoul]

This is a rather morbid thread Ghoul. None of those laws have yet passed. As you said, now the election is over, congress will get back to doing what it always does... nothing.

With this new administration, the first order of business will be tax cuts. Regardless of party, don't think there will be walls or health care or de minis or anything meaningful coming from this congress. Especially since re-election is no longer an influence. Stopping the trade flow from China, or any other country, will not be entertained in the least. This administration wants the trade flood doors open full throttle, since much it has its hands in is dependent on it.

This administration wants less government, less enforcement, and more money... facilitating it's own kleptocracy is top priority.

You are sorely mistaken if you think the legislation supported by nearly every member of both houses, and by both candidates will amount to nothing.

Maybe you think the Executive orders from September that are already going to close the door most of the way are a joke, and there's no way they'll be implemented?

I understand why wishful thinking is attractive,

"It's so easy to have gear shipped from China and it'll always be that way! Hooray! Customs could never possibly get their act together and do the same thing plenty of European countries do! Congress won't ever change it, and even if they do, they'll give us plenty of advance notice to get our orders in!"

This isn't about fearing what's coming, but taking action to sensibly prepare in a clear eyed way to minimize disruption to our quality of life.

 

[Sampei]

Yeah who give a fuck if it's true or not, let's share our stashes or maybe better not?

Anyway in an hypothetical scenario that really shit is changing, I would need: 500gr of test U 500gr of testo D
And 200gr of any other long ester substance I like so:

Primo - Masteron - Tren - Deca - NPP - EQ

Sadly I don't believe I can store HGH long term as degradation would happen or I would buy a 3-4 years stash

Don't need anything else.

 

[nightprowler7]

Cheap and easy coming to an end?

If a kg of testosterone goes up by $350 (doubles) it wouldn’t matter. Most steroid users are upper middle class and $350 going to make anyone desperate or cause panic. I’m sure most wouldn’t even notice.

I don’t think one person will care. More important things going on in our lives than the price of steroids, That are already cheap. $700 is still cheap to someone who spends thousands a month on food.

I’d be more concerned about food myself. Buy a farm and solar panels if you have concerns about the future

 

[Ghoul]

Cheap and easy coming to an end?

If a kg of testosterone goes up by $350 (doubles) it wouldn’t matter. Most steroid users are upper middle class and $350 going to make anyone desperate or cause panic. I’m sure most wouldn’t even notice.

I don’t think one person will care. More important things going on in our lives than the price of steroids, That are already cheap. $700 is still cheap to someone who spends thousands a month on food.

I’d be more concerned about food myself. Buy a farm and solar panels if you have concerns about the future

I'm not talking about the apocalypse. This is about the Temu like pricing and selection available because of the ability to send packages filled with steroids directly from China to customers without much risk of seizure.

US warehouses already have a smaller selection and much higher prices.

Once international mail is no longer a reliable shipping method, domestic sources will be the only way to get gear, and it's going to get more expensive, with a selection far less broad than it is now.

Basically, a return to the market conditions of 20 years ago.

 

[pipo]

The only people who don't recognize a muscular customs enforcement regime is imminent are those not paying attention.

The de minimus loophole, which is the only reason the floodgates to Chinese gear opened wide, will cease to exist in its current form.

The Chinese suppliers know this. It's their primary motivation for opening US warehouses. The direct shipping from China model will be coming an end, because just like it wasn't practical 20 years ago due to the high likelihood of getting seized, it's going to return to that. Plenty of European countries are already "No reship" "High risk" locations because they're not dealing with the surge of small packs from China de minimus enabled in the US, overwhelming custom's ability to screen them.

It's the shipping equivalent of 100 people mobbing a retail store and all rushing through the doors with stolen goods. The crackdown has been slow in coming, but the pieces are all in place, and with the election behind us it's going to be full speed ahead.

And to preempt the clown car that'll be pulling up, I said the end of "Cheap and Easy", not "unavailable at any price".

Nothing has changed to Europe. It's the same as always. If you refer to GA he send with China post and every package that it's send with that it will go to customs for tax payment and you need a invoice to show there. Same as if you buy from Panda(if they are in business anymore). They use post to send package and each package goes to local customs for vat
If he would use so called special line it will be normal like it is with other sources. Package clear customs with other thousands of package and no one take each package to see if tax it's pay correctly with what you have inside the package
.
Now what eu commissions want is to tax every package that comes to eu becase now package under 150€ is expelled from paying tax. (Import fee)But there are 2,3 billions package under 150€ that comes to eu each year. How they are going to inspect 2,3 billions package? Around 6,5 millions each day
It will be like it is now but it will cost more to pay the tax.
Nothing has change and nothing will change regarding import.

But I have 1kg of test vacuum sealed keept at room temperature.
I would use that or buy pharma test if somehow that raw isn't good anymore.
But I don't think I would need to go to "emergency stock".

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

I just about have decades and decades worth of testosterone undeconate. One more order and I'm set till I get too old to give a fuck. I'm good. Not worried at all. Sent my previous 100ml batch off for testing. I'll be ahead of all this shit. Glad I bought in like this. I will miss the cheap peptides though

 

[TA13579]

I'm going to get a TRT script very soon so that I have legal cover and I'm not completely cut off if all sources dry up (highly unlikely).

I don't know much about homebrew yet, but based on what I've read, 500gr of Test C should last me the rest of my life.

The problem is I'm too terrified to order 500gr of raws. So I guess I'll just be buying small orders of oils at ridiculous prices until I can sack up

 

[Dirthand]

I'll tell you what i would do without.........
.... nothing!! Except maybe some peptides in a couple years.. I'm already old and have more juice than I really need to do as I get older.. Would be a shame if HGH, tb500 and bpc-157 became impossible to get.. especially as a person get a lil older!! Also I'd like to point out that gear is not cheap for a lot of people.. I have conversations with people in person all the time that are paying 70$ for a vial of test.. I come across this often..
Peace
D

 

[nightprowler7]

I'm not talking about the apocalypse. This is about the Temu like pricing and selection available because of the ability to send packages filled with steroids directly from China to customers without much risk of seizure.

US warehouses already have a smaller selection and much higher prices.

Once international mail is no longer a reliable shipping method, domestic sources will be the only way to get gear, and it's going to get more expensive, with a selection far less broad than it is now.

Basically, a return to the market conditions of 20 years ago.

I’ve just been focusing on having a legitimate scrip. After going through 3 doctors locally, I found a “sports medicine” doctor that’ll let me start TRT without dropping completely off. Basically he let me transition from 350/wk to 200/wk without dropping to 200ng test levels first.

It does suck, Looking into the future and not knowing what’ll actually happen. So many maybes ya know? I just figured my best bet was a legal script instead of hoarding controlled substances. My doctor is young so luckily he won’t retire anytime soon.

I’m not sure what would happen if someone had a legit test cyp script but got caught with Ugl test cyp? Perhaps it’s worth researching, But I’m down to my last 2 vials of homebrew and that’s all I got. Was briefly considering more but decided against it

 

[nightprowler7]

I'm going to get a TRT script very soon so that I have legal cover and I'm not completely cut off if all sources dry up (highly unlikely).

I don't know much about homebrew yet, but based on what I've read, 500gr of Test C should last me the rest of my life.

The problem is I'm too terrified to order 500gr of raws. So I guess I'll just be buying small orders of oils at ridiculous prices until I can sack up

I can see how ordering that much would be scary. But my logic behind homebrewing was there is less risk with less packages. Also powder could be anything if a neighbor opened it, A vial labeled “deca” can only be one thing if a neighbor opened it accidentally. Everyone can google that and see it’s a steroid. A package of powder could be a cooking ingredient, or really anything.

Obviously there are a few variables there to consider, But that was my logic mostly when I home brewed.

 

[Nunya]

Stocked up forever for TRT/HRT, years for other stuff.

 

[Nunya]

Forgot to add answers to the other questions:
- Maximize storage life by having raw materials on hand for TRT/HRT, vacuum sealed, etc.
- For peptides, GH, etc., maximize storage life by vacuum sealing and freezing

Buffer of a year or two but I’m well beyond that.