What's up everyone? Since I started blasting and cruising I have been using quads, but I decided I want to give them a break and try a new site. I figured ventrogluteal would be the best because it is easy to see compared to dorsalglute. I usually inject 2ccs, but today just as a test I injected .1ml of Test E into what I thought was my ventroglute. I kicked my leg out to the side and the muscle that popped was the muscle I injected in. Went in very painless, but now there is a good amount of pip with only .1ml of test, so know I am wondering if I injected in the right spot. Some people say that the muscle that pops is the ventroglute/medius while others say that is the tensor fascia lata muscle. Even using the diagrams, where you have to find the greater trochanter, iliac crest, and anterior iliac spine seem to point to the muscle that pops out. If that is so, where is the tensor fascia lata?
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For all intents and purposes, Ventro OR Dorso gluteal injections describe the LOCATION SITE rather than a specific muscle as in the Glute Max, G Med or G Minimi.
Consequently whether or not a muscle "pops out" is the result of muscular development and NOT necessarily which muscle is being pinned. Nonetheless bc of it's LOCATION and small size a properly placed VG injection will likely pass THRU the GMax with the depot placed in the G Medius. The latter occurs bc most anatomy texts overestimate the relative size of the G Med for pictorial purposes.
Transverse sections on a real time CT scan demonstrates the anatomic relationship of the GMax and GMed quite nicely
In fact the majority of folk have such a poorly developed G Med that the DG is the PREFERRED site for ADULT IM injections.
Consequently whether or not a muscle "pops out" is the result of muscular development and NOT necessarily which muscle is being pinned. Nonetheless bc of it's LOCATION and small size a properly placed VG injection will likely pass THRU the GMax with the depot placed in the G Medius. The latter occurs bc most anatomy texts overestimate the relative size of the G Med for pictorial purposes.
Transverse sections on a real time CT scan demonstrates the anatomic relationship of the GMax and GMed quite nicely
In fact the majority of folk have such a poorly developed G Med that the DG is the PREFERRED site for ADULT IM injections.
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bigpoppachump
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Interesting. Thanks for posting this
This image is at the level of the femoral neck and the G-med. The line on the left that states ischial spine passes thru the lower SMALLER portion of the Glut Med the other Muscle next adjacent to and below that LINE is almost all the G-max!
Ill try to locate another CT image with a "cut" thru the central portion of the G-med bc that's where the injection is best placed.
That's not to suggest not all folk with a "big arse" have a big Gluteus Maximus
Actually on a comparitive basis IME BB seem to have a smaller portion of their G-med
exposed directly "beneath" the overlying skin, bc thier enlarged Gmax pushes is down and in. This should be somewhat intuitive bc the primany function of the G-med is
HIP ABDUCTION, and how many BB are doing weighted "side kicks"?
Finally bc gals have "wider hips" they are often concerned about "lifting with weights" as doing so may make their arse appear WIDER, and to some extent that's true as it's related to the position of the G-med YET is primarily a result of their wider bony pelvic structure.
GALS SHOULD NOT DO SIDE KICKS FOR THAT REASON if a wider arse is one of their concerns
Ill try to locate another CT image with a "cut" thru the central portion of the G-med bc that's where the injection is best placed.
That's not to suggest not all folk with a "big arse" have a big Gluteus Maximus
Actually on a comparitive basis IME BB seem to have a smaller portion of their G-med
exposed directly "beneath" the overlying skin, bc thier enlarged Gmax pushes is down and in. This should be somewhat intuitive bc the primany function of the G-med is
HIP ABDUCTION, and how many BB are doing weighted "side kicks"?
Finally bc gals have "wider hips" they are often concerned about "lifting with weights" as doing so may make their arse appear WIDER, and to some extent that's true as it's related to the position of the G-med YET is primarily a result of their wider bony pelvic structure.
GALS SHOULD NOT DO SIDE KICKS FOR THAT REASON if a wider arse is one of their concerns
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Those scans were interesting. It almost seems like the TFL is on the front of the femur.
After further review, I'm almost sure I injected into my TFL. Now l, will that get absorbed properly or is that a wasted shot?
if the oil is in ur body im pretty sure its not a wasted shot lol itll absorb eventually. its the triangle muscle on the side of ur hip. great spot. can fit like 4cc's there comfortably. pull the skin to the side when u pin so when u release and take the needle out it covers the inject spot so nothing seeps out.
Nothing seeped out. Lol. And that's what I thought it was, the triangle, but it seems too anterior and that is where a lot of the people are saying the TFL is. I'm probably just going to find a new place to pin because I can't figure it out.
Take a look at the TFL bc it runs down the side of the femur and is composed almost entirely of FASCIA, as the name implies!
Yes and that's what MANY who are attempting a VG injection end up doing, nailing the TFL, OUCH!
I can never figure this one out either. There are so many spots to pin, this one is very hard to find.
Oldschool
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Since joining meso I thought I knew EXACTLY where vg site was and have been pinning what I thought was vg exclusively. Got involved in another post in regards to vg injection site and in the end came to the conclusion that I was an idiot. Now this thread comes along and I'm thinking I was right all along. From here on out I'm just gonna pin what works for me and shut my mouth
Test_Subject
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I know for a fact that I hit the TFL the first time because goddamn did it hurt. Now I stay away from the front of the site, lol.
Primarily bc the anatomical relationships cover a narrow window, this is one site that's very difficult to demonstrate by "video"!
If you're not sure one is much better off sticking w DG injections.
If you're not sure one is much better off sticking w DG injections.
As I've mentioned previously that's the problem with the term
"Ventro-Glute".
None of the Gluteal muscles enter the Ventral (AKA Anterior or the front of) plane.
It seems this term was used to denote the fact a VG injection
would occur ANTERIOR to the preferred Dorsal Gluteal G-max musculature.
Yeah, you mentioned the TFL was fascia. Don't me to ask such a silly question, but if you inject there, will everything still be absorbed properly?
Also, when I was pinning, the pin went in very smoothly. I did not even feel the pinch of the skin, but now I have some serious pip. So do you mean it would hurt as you pin or after if it is the TFL?
It should be absorbed EVENTUALLY.
Bc fascia is almost identical to a tendon structurally the following might would be expected
- very high resistance
to both needle insertion, while actually injecting the med into fascia would be VERY difficult
- PAIN PAIN PAIN
- with regard to your PIP, I've KNOWING what the cause is so can't comment.
My advice don't even try VGs until you have been TAUGHT by a legit HCP how to do it right.
Good luck
Bc fascia is almost identical to a tendon structurally the following might would be expected
- very high resistance
to both needle insertion, while actually injecting the med into fascia would be VERY difficult
- PAIN PAIN PAIN
- with regard to your PIP, I've KNOWING what the cause is so can't comment.
My advice don't even try VGs until you have been TAUGHT by a legit HCP how to do it right.
Good luck
Really appreciate the response. And there was no resistance going in and very little when injecting.
I think I want to try VG one more time at least. I was reading that a could way to find it is imagine a line from your greater trochanter going straight up to the iliac crest. Then imagine a line from the anterior superior iliac spine perpendicular to the first line. Where they meet is the injection point.
Compared to where I injected the first time that would make it higher and a little more posterior.
