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[Docd187123]

Are you retard? 35 fucking dead in November and last Thursday 9! 9! 9! Overdoses to which I just got wind 2 were people that are related too my friends! You don't live here bud so don't act like you know...

I think you missed the sarcasm in that post.

 

[CdnGuy]

I think you missed the sarcasm in that post.

Dunno Doc guess so. Dec is turning into "Death December" it's getting outta hand.

 

[Sdryx]

Despite being taboo, drug use is very normal.

Watch young children on a playground change their "consciousness" by spinning around getting dizzy for fun. It is in our psychology to desire psychological change.

This is a new problem that requires a new solution. And the solution is NOT to simply treat the situation as illegal drugs but as a health concern for the general population.

They need to start developing fentanyl tests like LabMax kits or users need to learn to control their concentrations by taking small bumps, waiting a couple minutes and taking another small bump to "test" the product.

Users die when they do a line of fentanyl comparable to their usual heroin dose. Fentanyl can be ANY concentration of potency (100% - 100,000% depending on how it is cut). Heroin can only be 100% or less (usually LESS!).

Instead of the world treating addiction as taboo, it needs to be treated as a normal health problem and more streamlined treatment is needed.

Had a family member almost die from fentanyl mislabeled as heroin this year as well. He is still using because the only thing out there is AA which in many ways is not for everyone.

 

[CdnGuy]

Despite being taboo, drug use is very normal.

Watch young children on a playground change their "consciousness" by spinning around getting dizzy for fun. It is in our psychology to desire psychological change.

This is a new problem that requires a new solution. And the solution is NOT to simply treat the situation as illegal drugs but as a health concern for the general population.

They need to start developing fentanyl tests like LabMax kits or users need to learn to control their concentrations by taking small bumps, waiting a couple minutes and taking another small bump to "test" the product.

Users die when they do a line of fentanyl comparable to their usual heroin dose. Fentanyl can be ANY concentration of potency (100% - 100,000% depending on how it is cut). Heroin can only be 100% or less (usually LESS!).

Instead of the world treating addiction as taboo, it needs to be treated as a normal health problem and more streamlined treatment is needed.

Had a family member almost die from fentanyl mislabeled as heroin this year as well. He is still using because the only thing out there is AA which in many ways is not for everyone.

It ain't just heroin these scumbags are cutting with Fentanyl. They are repressing bricks of coke with it too.

 

[ergomaniac]

Despite being taboo, drug use is very normal.

Watch young children on a playground change their "consciousness" by spinning around getting dizzy for fun. It is in our psychology to desire psychological change.

This is a new problem that requires a new solution. And the solution is NOT to simply treat the situation as illegal drugs but as a health concern for the general population.

They need to start developing fentanyl tests like LabMax kits or users need to learn to control their concentrations by taking small bumps, waiting a couple minutes and taking another small bump to "test" the product.

Users die when they do a line of fentanyl comparable to their usual heroin dose. Fentanyl can be ANY concentration of potency (100% - 100,000% depending on how it is cut). Heroin can only be 100% or less (usually LESS!).

Instead of the world treating addiction as taboo, it needs to be treated as a normal health problem and more streamlined treatment is needed.

Had a family member almost die from fentanyl mislabeled as heroin this year as well. He is still using because the only thing out there is AA which in many ways is not for everyone.

good post.
fwiw, no hard feelings on my end. I don't typically hold grudges and this isn't worth it.

 

[BBC3]

I've been paying attention to these new opioids. You know I like my hydro.

@Megadick3000 - Its some exciting and good info BUT DO NOT MISLEAD... Heroin is PLENTY STRONGER THAN MORPHINE...!!!! Yer gonna have folks out there that use street morphine pills reading this and OD'ing on H EVEN if they get real H....! And Fentanyl is stronger than that as related to morphine too. NO ONE SHOULD THINK ITS OK TO TOUCH FENTANYL if only experienced with M....!

Well? Is everyone happy now that Hydro is unavailable....? Assholes know what they did.....!

It's more than 100x the potency of fentanyl actually. Let me break some of them down.

Morphine = morphine
Heroin = 2x the potency of morphine
Fentanyl = 50x the potency of morphine
Carfentanil = 10,000x the potency of morphine
W-18 = 18,000x the potency of morphine
4-fluoro-beta-Hydroxy-3-methyl-fentanyl = 18,100x the potency of morphine

And supposedly, although I don't recall the nomenclature, there's an even stronger derivative of fentanyl developed a few years ago that exceeded 20,000x the potency of morphine.

Just because something's more potent doesn't mean it can't be safely taken.

If something is 10,000x the strength of morphine, then it means you need to take 1/10,000th the dosage to get the same effect as an equipotent dosage of morphine.

But no one trafficking this shit to users is selling it in pure form. So however potent it is verse morphine doesn't matter so long as they are cutting it appropriately based on its potency.

 

[BBC3]

RELAX. This CUNT (sdryx) is also DDP which may really be Jim on CRACK.... Jim may not be that same. I am working on it... He makes me a little QUEEAAZY....

@Sdryx - Make sure and suck all my cum outta yer mamma's ass tonight before you go to fuk her....!

Cunt....

quote it again, please.
I cant find it.

 

[CdnGuy]

Walk-in clinic for people with opioid addictions slated to open in Downtown Eastside

 

[Megadick3000]

Okay guys I'm just gonna speak from personal experience here, I've spent a lot of time involved as a user in the heroin game, and I'm not ignorant as most. The dope that is cut with fentanyl analogs is the shit guys want. Most addicts just think it's super strong heroin because they're generally not the most intelligent people. But yeah, the cut fentanyl analog dope is by far the strongest and doesn't require nearly the same amount for the desired effect. In fact you can't even get that kind of effect from regular heroin. Deals DO sell fent dope as H because generally they're ignorant too. This shit changes so many hands, nobody really knows what they have.

First: congrats on getting clean, which im assuming you are (maybe im wrong).

I used to be a fentanyl addict. specificly fentanyl and derivatives, not heroin cut with fent. I can confirm that of all the opiates out there these 4-anilidopiperidines hit harder and faster than any other opiate.

When someones been using heroin and then tries fentanyl, it will get them off in a way heroin hasnt been able to since the early days of their addiction. Once they feel that, heroin will feel even less satisfying foreever after. Addiction is a progressive situation where the persons constantly pushing the limit.

In mexico the cartels are now having to add fentanyl into their down, because its become the gold standard expectation. Supposedly they call it El Diablito or some spanish equivalent for the little devil. There was a pretty well known case where Chinese customs officials found over 70 KG of fentanyl in a shipping container about to leave China for Mexico. Presumably to end up in the hands of the cartels. It would also seem that the Sinaloa Cartel is the primary group cutting fent into their dope, of course the sinaloans run much of mexicos heroin production so it shouldnt be too shocking.

Short history lesson for you guys interested. In 1983-1984 a guy named George Marquardt started manufacturing fntanyl derivatives, particularly alpha-methyl-fentanyl, 3-methylfentanyl, and even by the end of his career he ventured into thiofentanyl derivatives too. Even though he himself lived in Kansas (iirc), his fentanyl derivatives were exclusively sold in the northeastern USA. Over a span of 4-5 years his derivatives killed several hundred people and it took the DEA 2 years to figure out what the derivatives structures even were. He was eventually arrested, sentenced, and was finally released in 2014 from prison.

In the 90's a fentanyl lab, making standard fentanyl (not derivatives) was busted in California. The owner of that lab was sentenced. In prison he made contacts with mexican cartel members. He must have educated them about the shit, because he was released in the early 2000s and months after his release a massive fentanyl outbreak occured in Chicago. Google about the mickey cobras gang and the massive 300+ police officers descnding on housing projects to shut it all down. That fentanyl was traced to a laboratory in Mexico in 2006. Guess who they arrested operating that laboratory? The same guy theyd just released from prison in California for making fentanyl there. They also arrested several cartel chemists at th lab who this guy was in the process of teaching the synthesis to.

This was a pivotal moment in 2006, as it marked the awakening among the mexicans that fentanyl existed, and its normous profit potential that it had. It also meant there was potentially dozens of other cartel chemists that this guy had already finished training, who were never caught, and now knew how to make fentanyl.

The fentanyl scene went dead again, at least in the eyes of the public, until around 2013-2014, when fentanyl finally went mainstream thanks to the Chinese and Chinese law not recognizing fentanyl derivatives as controlled substances and therefore legal for any factory to make.

I can make this guarantee, you will forever see fentanyl on thbkack market now, because the knowledge of it has become mainstream and the synthesis is not all that challenging. Even if the chinese stop 100%, self taught chemists will fill the void.

 

[ergomaniac]

RELAX. This CUNT (sdryx) is also DDP which may really be Jim on CRACK.... Jim may not be that same. I am working on it... He makes me a little QUEEAAZY....

@Sdryx - Make sure and suck all my cum outta yer mamma's ass tonight before you go to fuk her....!

Cunt....

I don't know. I think @Sdryx is ok.

bro, you got to change back your avi.

 

[CdnGuy]

Is the Canadian justice system finally growing some balls ? Murderer's can/have received less time in Cdn believe it or not

Unprecedented 14-year sentence for fentanyl dealer sends a ‘strong message’: minister

 

[Megadick3000]

Is the Canadian justice system finally growing some balls ? Murderer's can/have received less time in Cdn believe it or not

Unprecedented 14-year sentence for fentanyl dealer sends a ‘strong message’: minister

Does it really make a difference though?

I mean in some countries they execute you for drug trafficking, yet those countries still have tons of drug abuse and traffickers. If punishment of death cant win the war on drugs, can anything???

Legalization is the only true solution. Also, guys like you and me are now having our tax dollars wasted to jail that jackass for 14 years. Id rather my tax money be used for something more relevant. Heck, id rather just pay less taxes actually.

I forget what it costs to jail a person for a year in Canada, but if i recall it was close to or even over $100k/year of tax payers money. Think of all the schools and hospitals and transit projects that kind of money could go towards, instead wasted on caging some douchebag.

Legalize all drugs. Control their quality. Tax their sales. Invest the savings (from jailing/policing) and the sales tax proceeds into healthcare, education, and infrastructure.

Option a) tax the drugs, heroin addict pays $10,000/year in taxes, ends up contributing to a better society despite his problems

Option b) arrest the addict, jail him, cost us all $100k/year or whatever it is. He is just a detriment to society, a burden. We all pay higher taxes.

The right option seems so fucking glaringly obvious i cant even fathom why the war on drugs still exists.

 

[CdnGuy]

You don't have to convince me on " Legalization" there Chief i agree
But until fentanyl becomes legal then the dealer's of this shit get locked-up it's simple. The shit(fentanyl) is ruining many many lives at the moment.

 

[Megadick3000]

You don't have to convince me on " Legalization" there Chief i agree
But until fentanyl becomes legal then the dealer's of this shit get locked-up it's simple. The shit(fentanyl) is ruining many many lives at the moment.

Oh ya, alot of mothers with broken hearts these days for sure. Ppl like to say good riddance to bad rubbish, but you never know what a persons potential really is in life. Some of those ppl who have died couldve been destined to become the next albert einstein.

I was once an addict, and my life wasnt much. But i got clean, and i made something of myself afterwards. Anyone can, sadly so many will never get that chance to live up to their potential.

Had you told me back when i was an addict that soneday id be as accomplished as i am today i wouldve LOLd at you hard. you just dont know what the future holds for you.

 

[CdnGuy]

Oh ya, alot of mothers with broken hearts these days for sure. Ppl like to say good riddance to bad rubbish, but you never know what a persons potential really is in life. Some of those ppl who have died couldve been destined to become the next albert einstein.

Agreed addicts aren't "rubbish" and can definitely excel in life once clean. You're speaking to one lol I'm reffering to the one's "knowingly" killing people

 

[Mrhat39]

I've been hearing of one called U-47700. Is this a new or something that's been around a while?

 

[Megadick3000]

I've been hearing of one called U-47700. Is this a new or something that's been around a while?

Newish to the black market, but if i recall it was developed back in the 60s or something.

Its stronger than morphine. Produces a very more-ish high meaning you want to keep taking it. Its also notoriously caustic, burning the nose if snorted, and when injected it causes tissue necrosis at the injection site. Nasty stuff but supposedly a good opiate high and analgesic properties. Its already responsible for many deaths in the usa.

The reason it surfaced is necause its structure does not relate to the structures of any controlled substances, so it is or was perfectly legal. Some states in the usa have already scheduled it though, following fatal ODs.

 

[Mrhat39]

Newish to the black market, but if i recall it was developed back in the 60s or something.

Its stronger than morphine. Produces a very more-ish high meaning you want to keep taking it. Its also notoriously caustic, burning the nose if snorted, and when injected it causes tissue necrosis at the injection site. Nasty stuff but supposedly a good opiate high and analgesic properties. Its already responsible for many deaths in the usa.

The reason it surfaced is necause its structure does not relate to the structures of any controlled substances, so it is or was perfectly legal. Some states in the usa have already scheduled it though, following fatal ODs.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Munky]

Meanwhile they are still flooding tons of cocaine and heroin into the country must make big coke dealers happy cause it takes lots of heat off them cause law enforcement is too busy to bothered with fucking roids and coke and looking for fentanal or whatever the hell there flogging for a quick buck

 

[CdnGuy]

Meanwhile they are still flooding tons of cocaine and heroin

And that will ever stop ? Lol North America LE as a whole has being fighting a losing battle. No matter how much money they have spent(wasted) on resources.