W&M Analytical Liaison (U.S. Domestic)

[janoshik]

Yet Jano talked with this guy and gave his approval. So why are you causing trouble now? You trust Jano, so I don’t see your issue.

I said that the person who's doing the analyses knows what he's doing.

I didn't say that I'm gullible enough to believe this is done in an FDA approved lab.

 

[mercury]

Yet Jano talked with this guy and gave his approval. So why are you causing trouble now? You trust Jano, so I don’t see your issue.

it is possible that he is using Jano not FDA lab as he claims to. Like sending selected samples to make him look credible.

Something you will never know. If you were in the industry and knew how labs operate and how testing is done particular by FDA approved lab you would see an issue.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

i'll just leave this here for future reference.

LabMax Colorimetric Analyses | JuicedMuscle.com

 

[mercury]

I said that the person who's doing the analyses knows what he's doing.

I didn't say that I'm gullible enough to believe this is done in an FDA approved lab.

look at the reports, don't they look they came from pathology lab. and I doubt that he is in contact with this lab.

 

[T-Bagger]

it is possible that he is using Jano not FDA lab as he claims to. Like sending selected samples to make him look credible.

Something you will never know. If you were in the industry and knew how labs operate and how testing is done particular by FDA approved lab you would see an issue.

W&M is in the States and he’s making what, $15-$20 MAX for being the liaison? And you think he’s going to lose an even bigger “profit” margin and basically do this at a loss or break even so he can send it off to Jano? Dude seriously - GTFOH. This has to be THE stupidest shit I’ve heard in a while. You have now gone even lower than @master.on with absurd theories.

 

[mercury]

W&M is in the States and he’s making what, $15-$20 MAX for being the liaison? And you think he’s going to lose an even bigger “profit” margin and basically do this at a loss or break even so he can send it off to Jano? Dude seriously - GTFOH. This has to be THE stupidest shit I’ve heard in a while. You have now gone even lower than @master.on with absurd theories.

then you must have some insider news, tell where the lab results are coming from. Being in the States does not mean anthing yet. Do you know his address ?

because they are not coming from the place he is claiming it to be coming from.

also no FDA certified lab wouldn't do it for the price. unless he has lab rat working there like the student analyzer from Slovakia or Czech Republic using university lab.

so your post does not bring anything to the discussion.

 

[T-Bagger]

then you must have some insider news, tell where the lab results are coming from. Being in the States does not mean anthing yet. Do you know his address ?

because they are not coming from the place he is claiming it to be coming from.

also no FDA certified lab wouldn't do it for the price. unless he has lab rat working there like the student analyzer from Slovakia or Czech Republic using university lab.

so your post does not bring anything to the discussion.

And yours does??

@janoshik what is your turnaround time?

Also, how did you talk to the chemist?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

look at the reports, don't they look they came from pathology lab. and I doubt that he is in contact with this lab.

Analytical labs can publish data in any format they choose. It’s not the appearance of the data on paper that makes the results good or bad. I look at environmental data all the time at work including GC/MS. You can have summary reports similar to what both Jano and W&M put out or you can have Tier 3 validated data reports that are several 100 pages long and make your eyes bleed. Those cost a lot more though.

 

[T-Bagger]

Analytical labs can publish data in any format they choose. It’s not the appearance of the data on paper that makes the results good or bad. I look at environmental data all the time at work including GC/MS. You can have summary reports similar to what both Jano and W&M put out or you can have Tier 3 validated data reports that are several 100 pages long and make your eyes bleed. Those cost a lot more though.

To follow up with this post, nearly everyone holds Jano’s reports against him, saying they’re made up in MS Word. Have you met Jano in person and seen his equipment, @mercury?

 

[janoshik]

And yours does??

@janoshik what is your turnaround time?

Also, how did you talk to the chemist?

0-14 days.

Also, stop pulling me into this shit.

 

[T-Bagger]

0-14 days.

Also, stop pulling me into this shit.

So 0-14 days plus shipping time coming from the States. Could possibly take up to 30 days turnaround. Yeah, piss off @mercury but W&M is having things turned around in 10 days.

 

[mercury]

Analytical labs can publish data in any format they choose.

you can but if you can read between lines you know if it was retouched in photoshop by scammer.

also you can see specific layout including data and you know if it was made by chemist or scammer.

for example analyzer was betrayed by his reports I could see right away that he was using a big lab. I came out later that it was indeed university lab.

 

[T-Bagger]

you can but if you can read between lines you know if it was retouched in photoshop by scammer.

also you can see specific layout including data and you know if it was made by chemist or scammer.

for example analyzer was betrayed by his reports I could see right away that he was using a big lab. I came out later that it was indeed university lab.

So was it you that ratted him out?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

you can but if you can read between lines you know if it was retouched in photoshop by scammer.

also you can see specific layout including data and you know if it was made by chemist or scammer.

for example analyzer was betrayed by his reports I could see right away that he was using a big lab. I came out later that it was indeed university lab.

I don’t think you understand lab reports. They can be put in any format as a SUMMARY. I usually ask for my reports in an excel compatible format to make data management easier.

Have you seen Lab4Tox or Simec summary reports. What makes them so special that you consider them “legit”?

 

[mercury]

I don’t think you understand lab reports. They can be put in any format as a SUMMARY. I usually ask for my reports in an excel compatible format to make data management easier.

Have you seen Lab4Tox or Simec summary reports. What makes them so special that you consider them “legit”?

the answer is very simple simec is a real lab not some phantom on forums hiding who know where. you can call them or pay visit in person.

 

[T-Bagger]

the answer is very simple simec is a real lab not some phantom on forums hiding who know where. you can call them or pay visit in person.

They’re also in a country where it’s legal to test AAS if I’m not mistaken. No US lab is going to broadcast their info. Hell, even Jano doesn’t broadcast his info.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

the answer is very simple simec is a real lab not some phantom on forums hiding who know where. you can call them or pay visit in person.

What does Simec charge? It’s like $320 I think

What does W&M charge? It’s like $85 I think

It’s because W&M doesn’t own the equipment just like Analyzer didn’t own the equipment.

Is it the PERFECT setup. Of course not but for those of us in the States, it’s an option for us. Not many bros are going to plunk down $320 for an analysis.

How are they guessing compounds and concentrations when these samples are submitted “blind” by all types of people?

 

[T-Bagger]

What does Simec charge? It’s like $320 I think

What does W&M charge? It’s like $85 I think

It’s because W&M doesn’t own the equipment just like Analyzer didn’t own the equipment.

Is it the PERFECT setup. Of course not but for those of us in the States, it’s an option for us. Not many bros are going to plunk down $320 for an analysis.

How are they guessing compounds and concentrations when these samples are submitted “blind” by all types of people?

W&M is actually like $145 total. Not sure what W&M himself makes and what the lab itself charges.

 

[puckhog]

@Weights & Measures can you process a testosterone cream to verify the dosage in it?

 

[mercury]

What does Simec charge? It’s like $320 I think

What does W&M charge? It’s like $85 I think

?

the whole story sounds even more incredible so he is walking into some FDA approved lab and they test for $85 minus his profit.

it is even far below regular blood test you can order online.

it just makes me to laugh and how people would buy even the most naive story.