W&M Analytical Liaison (U.S. Domestic)

[88general88]

You missed his point bro. He was saying he prefers to send in vials without the label so it’s a blind sample for the tester. That way, W&M is protected from the manufacturer. Apparently @janoshik has been threatened numerous times by vendors. Then again, if the person who sent in the sample reveals the source, it will still be obvious who tested it and retaliation can still happen to the tester.

I understand that, I am confused on why the fuck he would think that if he REMOVED THE LABEL, that W&M could possibly still find out based on the color of the oil and vial, who manufactured it. I understand everything else I am trying to get a feel of where he is coming from. Unless the manufacturer has little designs on the caps and fucking weirdass vials like “monkey shit labs” then I find it hard for anyone to know who the manufacturer is if the label is removed.

 

[T-Bagger]

I understand that, I am confused on why the fuck he would think that if he REMOVED THE LABEL, that W&M could possibly still find out based on the color and vial who manufactured it. I understand everything else I am trying to get a feel of where he is coming from. Unless the manufacturer has little designs on the caps and fucking weirdass vials like “monkey shit labs” then I find it hard for anyone to know who the manufacturer is if the label is removed.

I didn’t get that at all from his post.

 

[88general88]

I didn’t get that at all from his post.

Maybe I am need to put my contacts in but isn’t that what he wrote one of his concerns was.

Anyhow OP, I think the idea of sending in a blind sample is a great idea, personally I wouldnt invest my money on testing to have it done any other way, and I think it’s smart of you, to have asked for a list of compounds that he tests for. So that there isn’t any confusion down the road. W&M seems to be on their game. I applaud you for asking the questions openly in the forum, so that others will have answers to those questions, it helps not only individuals seeking analysis, but it also helps W&M, to answer the questions, so that hopefully as long as someone does their homework, the same question don’t have to be asked again. I wasn’t trying to make you look like a idiot earlier, I was inquiring because maybe, there was a way for testers to tell the manufacturer of the product even if the label had been removed that some of us didn’t know of.

 

[BigJ89]

@Weights & Measures - do you require an unopened pack of capsules for testing like you do unopened vials? This is even more suspect to tampering, since anyone can empty a capsule and fill it with any type of filler.

Why would someone go through the hassle of doing this?

 

[BigJ89]

Your post has some weird timing for me

 

[TX_Hempknight]

Why would someone go through the hassle of doing this?

Scam the source, of course.

"Hey your orals didnt have any compound in it, I want a refund or replacement."

"Do you have proof?"

"Yes, here is labwork from a credible lab."

Some will issue the refund or replacement with no issues. Some will fight it and look bad and eventually replace or refund. Those poor guys just doing it for the community get fucked over too. Lmao.

 

[T-Bagger]

Why would someone go through the hassle of doing this?

People do stupid crap bro. When Pristine had cross contamination issues, there were some who explored all possibilities, including the person sending in the sample possibly tampering with the sample. This is why W&M started requesting sealed vials. No one had ever brought up capsules and since tabs can’t be tampered with, it would make sense that caps should have the same guidelines.

Your post has some weird timing for me

Why’s that? I actually have some UGL caps I’ve been considering sending in and before I do/did, this thought crossed my mind.

 

[88general88]

Scam the source, of course.

"Hey your orals didnt have any compound in it, I want a refund or replacement."

"Do you have proof?"

"Yes, here is labwork from a credible lab."

Some will issue the refund or replacement with no issues. Some will fight it and look bad and eventually replace or refund. Those poor guys just doing it for the community get fucked over too. Lmao.

You would think that the money that they spend to discredit a lab and get a refund could have been spend on getting more gear, in reality it probably a move towards a larger grand scheme. Problem is that shit like that always seems to come out in the wash somehow.

 

[T-Bagger]

You would think that the money that they spend to discredit a lab and get a refund could have been spend on getting more gear, in reality it probably a move towards a larger grand scheme. Problem is that shit like that always seems to come out in the wash somehow.

This kind of crap goes beyond scamming for free gear. Personal vendettas can bring down an entire UGL operation. Some need to go lol, but others who play by the rules don’t need that kind of crap.

 

[BigJ89]

Why’s that? I actually have some UGL caps I’ve been considering sending in and before I do/did, this thought crossed my mind.

It was just a coincidence I guess as I am going to be doing the same very soon and I was discussing doing this within the last 24 hrs...so it was just strange to me. I hope more people start testing soon (sources aswell)...the AAS testing section has been quiet

 

[T-Bagger]

It was just a coincidence I guess as I am going to be doing the same very soon and I was discussing doing this within the last 24 hrs...so it was just strange to me. I hope more people start testing soon (sources aswell)...the AAS testing section has been quiet

That’s pretty cool coincidence! Yeah, it just removes all doubt, like send in the sealed pack (assuming all UGL’s use the sealable bags) and remove the label.

 

[BigJ89]

Am I the only one that thinks there hasn't been much testing going on, on both ends?

 

[T-Bagger]

Am I the only one that thinks there hasn't been much testing going on, on both ends?

Our main tester hasn’t been testing a lot lately, or at least not posting up (Brian/JoeDaddy)

 

[BigJ89]

That’s pretty cool coincidence! Yeah, it just removes all doubt, like send in the sealed pack (assuming all UGL’s use the sealable bags) and remove the label.

We'll hopefully WMs policy don't change now..seeing as everything is already in motion...if they so happen too I won't post the results for WMs sake..seems like a good guy offering invaluable services so I wouldn't want this to backfire on him and Chase him away..meso needs guys like WM

 

[BigJ89]

Our main tester hasn’t been testing a lot lately, or at least not posting up (Brian/JoeDaddy)

I have no problem taking on some of that burden...I shell out quite a bit of money for gear...using a fraction of that to test things for peace of mind and harm reduction for the community is worth it...alright I think I've drank enough of the meso Kool aide.... seriously though I hope more people hop on the testing train and start sending stuff in

 

[T-Bagger]

I have no problem taking on some of that burden...I shell out quite a bit of money for gear...using a fraction of that to test things for peace of mind and harm reduction for the community is worth it...alright I think I've drank enough of the meso Kool aide.... seriously though I hope more people hop on the testing train and start sending stuff in

Right on bro!

 

[Den84]

I guess, but his question regarding whether or not the W&M would still know the manufacturer if he removed the label, based on color and structure of the vial?? Seems a little paranoid

@88GENERAL88 you are a good guy but this time you don’t understood what I means. I told that in Eu there are many steroid manufacturers that put on the plastic cap the logo, name of molecule and name of manufacturer. And these written can’t be removed because are carved in plastic cap. If W&M now can accept only unopened vials, this mean that he will know brand and molecule, because he can read on the plastic cap. And this means that the samples is not blind. Look at the picture, please

 

[T-Bagger]

@88GENERAL88 you are a good guy but this time you don’t understood what I means. I told that in Eu there are many steroid manufacturers that put on the plastic cap the logo, name of molecule and name of manufacturer. And these written can’t be removed because are carved in plastic cap. If W&M now can accept only unopened vials, this mean that he will know brand and molecule, because he can read on the plastic cap. And this means that the samples is not blind. Look at the picture, please

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Are you or anyone from europe really going to send him samples for testing, when you already have the other labs over there?

 

[Sdryx]

Anabolic Lab takes unopened samples. They are the gold standard as well.

So what’s wrong with that??? Are we simply bashing W&M because Jano slandered him saying he couldn’t test accurately and this is his way of defending himself???

Or are we debating the entirety of testing including Anabolic Lab because of some legitimate reason?

Let’s bring in Anabolic Lab into this discussion as well if we are at all serious.

 

[Den84]

Are you or anyone from europe really going to send him samples for testing, when you already have the other labs over there?

yes, I am based in Europe, so it is more convenient for me to send the samples to a European laboratory. but only janoshik has advantageous prices on the blind sample , and only he is quick to send the report. chem tox ask 250 eur for testing blind, simec 290 for testing not blind sample, lab4tox I don’t know but it is an option that I have already discarded, because it is very slow to send the report (1 month after they received sample).

so it could be a good option also W&M (100 usd for blind sample is good price) in case I want to send the same sample to 2 different laboratories, for a comparison. But with this new regulation, that can accept only unopened vial, he lost some points, and I think some potential customers.