malfeasance
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I didn't take it as a personal attack. I just don't think the federal government ought to be doing any of this stuff, at all. I understand the point you were trying to make.
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The moralistic, punitive approach to drug use is very strong in the U.S. If some drugs are bad, users are bad people who should suffer punishment. How does harm reduction fit into that?!
Sorry, I didn't fully understand your position. Now I do. I'm all for the government staying the fuck out of my body. No drug criminalization. That doesn't happen without consequences.
It's the protestant work ethic. The Calvinist mindset that you get out of life what you deserve, what God has ordained, if you were elected.....in other words not all people will be saved....."God doesn't give a damn about junkies", those that have success in life: God has done this, those with a needle in their arm are to be tossed into the flames to keep the fires going.
Meritocratic system that rewards those that are either privileged to grow up with all the breaks, or those that worked very hard to overcome. There is no acceptance for failure, you're either a winner, someone hanging on desperately or a loser and this country doesn't like losers.
Shame is the only thing left for those that fail at life. You are to wallow in shame and misery for your failure.
The American Dream is really just a system of sadism. We know for every winner there's gonna be a loser. We know for every rich person there's gonna be thousands of poor.
We spend our time heaping praise on the heads of the winners. Like a Jeff Bezo's launch of space tourists that will pay a few million to be in space for a few seconds. Champagne corks will be popped and tears of joy will trickle from the eyes of the elites and not a single mention of the Amazon warehouse that was demolished the night before in a state full of poor people by a tornado where your workers died, because why would you give a fuck about those people......you're Jeff Bezo's and you're important, those' people are nothing but the shit to be scrapped off the soles of his feet.
In other words we have homeless and mentally ill people filling our streets because no one gives a fuck, we'd rather spend our money on toys no one needs and sunglasses to hide our eyes from having to look at misery. I guess you could chalk it up to a total indifference especially as our society is going in two directions and giving those with great wealth far too much exposure in the media while completely ignoring those at the opposite end that quite frankly are living lives that are horrifying.
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One other thing.
I think the homeless and decay is not only tolerated, but I really do think they don't fix the problem because it serves as a warning to everyone else to live in fear of what could happen if you don't do as you're told.
You're under no illusions if you're sober and of clear mind that you don't want to end up in a back alley giving blowjobs for a hot meal.
Could we clean up all the homeless? Sure we could, we put men on the moon several times, we just got done positioning a telescope a million miles from the earth to look back in time 14 billion years. However those homeless are a wonderful tool to give society nightmares of what is waiting if you don't keep your shit together and do as your boss commands. This is capitalism, pure and raw, soaked in blood, pus, urine and shit, it's society brainwashed to not only tolerate the day after day grind, but to tell others to keep on suffering because no one likes to suffer alone and yet no one is smart enough to realize they're being jammed up the ass.
I think the homeless and decay is not only tolerated, but I really do think they don't fix the problem because it serves as a warning to everyone else to live in fear of what could happen if you don't do as you're told.
You're under no illusions if you're sober and of clear mind that you don't want to end up in a back alley giving blowjobs for a hot meal.
Could we clean up all the homeless? Sure we could, we put men on the moon several times, we just got done positioning a telescope a million miles from the earth to look back in time 14 billion years. However those homeless are a wonderful tool to give society nightmares of what is waiting if you don't keep your shit together and do as your boss commands. This is capitalism, pure and raw, soaked in blood, pus, urine and shit, it's society brainwashed to not only tolerate the day after day grind, but to tell others to keep on suffering because no one likes to suffer alone and yet no one is smart enough to realize they're being jammed up the ass.
malfeasance
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Consequences - but not for the feds, or the taxpayers. I want to be free to suffer my own consequences, not be burdened by force with others'
That is what liberty means, by the way. You make your own choices. You have your own consequences.
Poor choices by another are not a mortgage on my life and work. Poor choices by me are not a mortgage on your life or work.
This mindset or typical individualism might be precisely what is allowing us to have so much rampant homelessness and drug addiction.
If you take a look at a certain minority culture that is extremely successful in this country (Ashkenazis), you will find almost zero percent of them end up homeless because they lift each other up. They have an extremely strong connection to each other.
In my city I travel on both the rich and the poor side. The difference is stark, the people from the poor side have a hardened look on their faces. They might be 40 years old and look 70. They have a desperation that is missing from the carefree well kept side of town.
We got a broken system in this country and the more we ignore this the more it costs all of us. People really should start looking at the fact that it's both the well off and the poor that drain our systems productivity. The wealthy take far too much share for the little work they perform(strong sense of entitlement), the poor sit on the sidelines and have little productivity because they are unskilled due to missteps along the way.
Liberty is important in that we all want to be left alone to live our lives in private. However if you have a body and you let one of your big toes develop a cancer and don't do anything about it, that toe that could have easily been addressed is now gonna kill you.
I don't know that there is true individualism at this point, our society and civilization is too large to wall ourselves off from the rest of humanity.
Meritocratic system needs to be flushed in this country. This one and done mentality, one chance and if you blow it then we assign you to your lot in life creates far more problems then if you'd just reached down and helped to pull them back up. Does a poor person not have kids that are more likely to end up poor and does this not cause vastly more problems for all of us as a greater share of taxes have to be spent to fix some of these. If you could get the untapped productivity out of the poor you'd actually end up better off and probably end up with less heat down your own back knowing that we have a system in place that ensures you never end up in poverty yourself.
malfeasance
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Interesting that you bring up the Ashkenazi, but then somehow conclude that only government force (in the pursuit of your preferences, of course) will work.
Sorry, but we are not yours with which to experiment.
I own my own work and ability. You don't. You own your own and nobody else's. If you aren't getting paid enough for it, find something more valuable to do. If you are getting compensated disproportionately high "for the little work [you] perform," in contrast, you can always charge less and correct the problem yourself. No government force needed.
Sorry, but we are not yours with which to experiment.
I own my own work and ability. You don't. You own your own and nobody else's. If you aren't getting paid enough for it, find something more valuable to do. If you are getting compensated disproportionately high "for the little work [you] perform," in contrast, you can always charge less and correct the problem yourself. No government force needed.
Amen. And this is predominantly how most red blooded, American males felt about society and government several decades ago when we ”had a pair” and used common sense.
What happened to if you don’t work you don’t eat approach? I like that better. You can’t drag the ones at the bottom to the top through programs and handouts. We need less government in almost every instance these days. And quit trying to spend my tax dollars on garbage like crack pipe improvements! Beyond ridiculous.
This red blooded American male stuff was great back in the 70's and 80's when I saw it first hand when most men simply graduated high school and went to work at a factory, busted their asses for 35 years and walked away with a pension.
The upper 10% now take in 90% of the wealth of this country.
So much for the big hairy balls that are full of red blood, when we know these upper crust 10% probably have never even had a callous on their hands and most of them wouldn't have a clue what real work is.
Tax dollars go far more in the direction of the rich then the poor. The poor don't get shit compared to some rich cock sucker like Jeff Bezos or the Walmart family that write off everything for the taxpayer to pick up.
Free crack pipes are nothing but a sensational diversion to keep your eye off the ball and cause you to turn your hatred towards the people that are already down on their luck.
If you don't give a shit about your fellow Americans that's fine. If you want a dog eat dog world where people live in the streets that's just the way it is I guess. Perhaps the Europeans are correct when they state the United States was the dumping grounds for the idiots and crazies that couldn't hack it in Europe and this is what we're seeing first hand.
Maybe there is nothing to do, just cast your brothers and sisters to the curb, let them rot in the gutter and if they ask for anything at all tell them to fuck off and when one day you're getting in your vehicle and someone comes up behind you and caves your head in with a baseball bat and robs you, maybe no one should give a shit, I mean it's a dog eat dog world and why should you expect the police or anyone to help......no taxes no expectation of services right?
Now of course I would normally try to defend you from the baseball bat attack, I'd try to get you medical help, but as you see society has decayed and we no longer give a shit about anyone anymore. We are now "red blooded" knuckle draggers that are only out for number one. We know that a people that work together can accomplish great things, but we have to cast that to the side and now it's every man women and child for themselves.
Here's your future in America:
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You don't own your own work.
You pay taxes for massive infrastructure to move goods and services around.
If I completely stopped all the taxes in this country, probably within 3 years your business would be mostly gone. Actually I suspect it would be even worse, you'd probably be shitting your pants from dysentery from the lack of water treatment and running water.
You'd be fucked and I don't care how much of a prepper or off-the-grid kind of guy you are, you'd eventually find out the hard way what happens when you live out your dream of rugged individualism.
And then the Chinese would invade and you'd be sent off to a reeducation camp or possibly worse. Ask the Tibetans what it was like when the Chinese invaded.
malfeasance
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I am ok with infrastructure and military.
There goes your entire post.
There goes your entire post.
Are you also okay with entitlements....social security and medicare?
Military entitlements.
Government/Public sector worker entitlements. Public workers period.
I could go on all day.
There is no such thing as just infrastructure and military spending, it leads to a huge vast web of government spending.
The military is what ensures you go into massive debt and from security minded people you also need to support the police state to ensure you pay your debt as without cops you get lots of people walking away from their burdens. Remember government isn't just protecting from foreign threats, it's really about protecting threats from within as there will be those that question the rulers right to rule and subject.
I know we often speak of freedom, but I'm not sure we aren't far past a point where personal freedom is a figment of imagination. When someone states they want to be left alone, but at the same time wants to be taxed for certain things, I don't think that's based in reality anymore.
I've seen lots of freedom minded people that claim they want to be left alone, but then end up making all these exceptions when it's alright to deny others the right to be left alone or situations where the rights of others shouldn't be considered because it would impose a burden on most of society.
We all want to end the drug war not because we think drugs are so great for people, but because it's a war on people, it never was about drugs. If one was to declare war on drugs, you would expect the government to only confiscate the drugs and destroy them and leave the user or dealer alone.
Can any of us actually even imagine a world were a government can control themselves when presented with the situation of solving a problem without using it as an excuse to further its power.
Libertarian principles are basically dead, society is set up to keep the mindless worker working, the mindless consumer consuming and that is all your purpose is to this government. It's a system rigged for maximum exploitation through carefully picking winners and losers as the government moves the pawns around to maximize their power and wealth.
you mean the jews from germany that are collecting all of the wealth in america and causing this misery ?
Regular Joe
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@mike-xxx, you may not say much but you talk a lot
MisterSuperGod
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He's the type of guy that it takes longer for him to check out than it does to shop at a grocery store because he won't stop blabbing to the poor cashier about inane topics that make the cashier stare off into space and silently question themselves about their career choice.
I use self checkout.
Wealth and power certainly help to make sure your people aren't homeless, regardless of the schemes you're running to amass it.
Japan is another country with very small homeless problem as a percentage of their population.
The USA is a special situation where we have great wealth, but all we talk about is our imaginary rights and freedoms(which don't exist at all) and that is what is most important and of course playing make believe by praying to an imaginary god to fix all the problems so you don't have to do jack shit. If you're down on your luck in America, you're told to piss off.
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