Oh don't you worry! I will be testing any batch I purchase from you Karl. 
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muscle96ss
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I will most definitely be serum testing as well. I did a serum test this morning on another brand; hopefully Abdulla the Butcher is gone by then as it took almost 2 hours for the burning sensation to go away; damn students.
Oh you sure about that? NOT.
Your comparing apples to oranges but that's what K and his greed does to people!
The FDA approves peptides and many other compounds as supplements and they are indeed "approved for human use".
However like K some UGL prefer to skirt any FDA review process, and in that instance most of those supplements are BUNK bc no one ensures certain standards are adhered to.
Research chemical companies are a much different subject bc they are almost always used in an enteral (oral) rather than a parenteral manner. Consequently this risk of immunologic complications is greatly reduced.
Whats even more important, is K now admits he is selling an R&D product but has yet to inform customers of the difference between it and an FDA product. Why in the F din't he say this from the beginning with full disclosure in mind. Bc he's a money monger who is dishonest and reeks of subterfuge!
Strange bedfellows you and he will become Mands!
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Another worthless test to be posted on K's site as proof his GH is GTG and more BS from the MH section of Meso!
muscle96ss
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Every day you have some new excuse or finding something else to complain about. There are a ton of generic GH's on the UG market, and Karl's is just another one. The only difference is that Karl's has much higher purity and actually contains the correct amount of GH as displayed by mands lab analysis. I have yet to see any other generic GH on the market be subjected to this kind of scrutiny. Which would you rather put in your body, a generic red top Chinese GH that you have no idea whats really in it, or Karl's GH which has been lab tested seems to be of high quality? I know your answer is going to be "neither", but if you had to choose between the 2, which would you pick?
muscle96ss
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More useless comments from the resident assclown!
muscle96ss
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Oh, and you keep referring to me as a meathead as if you are of some superior intelligence and my comments don't hold weight. I am actually a licensed medical professional, have my own practice, and have a shitload of knowledge, so don't discount what I say so easily because your ignorance may catch up with you.
The real problem K doesn't know what any of these tests are, yet he "makes" HGH, LMAO!
I mean he believes the 1) Amino Acid analysis (determines the amino acid ratio and content) is the same as the 2) LC-MS/MS Peptide/protein sequencing using Trypsin (allows for the specific identification of the protein by determining it's peptide sequence). So Karl there are TWO TESTS any Pharm grade rHGH manufacturer would have already posted. Of course a Mass Spec would have already been conducted and posted by any PH grade GH producer.
Now let's see which one of these has Karl already posted? NONE, NADA, NIL, ZILTCH, ZIPPO ZERO……..got it!
Yet K will only come up with BULLSHIT until several weeks or months from now, since by then someone will have fabricated more analyses to ensure he can continue this ruse.
Come on guys it's karls burden to provide the proof he even produces gh. Let's not get off subject here he still hasn't produced any data that backs up these hard to believe claims. In addition the only evidence he keeps pushing is mands not his own rd findings. Were on the same team fellas.
Oh you are actually quite right that's the only tests K pushes bc that's all he GOT, and he proven that. What did K's tests show, the samples HE STUDIED WERE NOT GH!!!! FACT!
However it seems we are NOT all on the same team here bc MH and UFC continue to overlook this FACT, and give Karl a pass "awaiting more tests". But what does K do to prove his GH is GTG? Posts the same damn worthless studies AGAIN as "PROOF", yet what do these other two team member do with this old info?
Give Karl another pass and criticize me and several other "team members" for underscoring these discrepancies.
Now what does all that mean? Sorry mate but we are all NOT on the same team here!
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I'm not talking about peptides approved by the FDA that help with some disorder. I'm talking about peptides and research chemicals used on the body building community.
Plenty of peptides being sold and injected that are not approved for human use by the FDA. For example TB500.
We all know your stance on generic gh and how no UGL or any other lab can manufacture real gh. I've known your stance for years on this and you are so convinced that you could watch the actual process happen and still call BS. That's a problem!
mands
Plenty of peptides being sold and injected that are not approved for human use by the FDA. For example TB500.
We all know your stance on generic gh and how no UGL or any other lab can manufacture real gh. I've known your stance for years on this and you are so convinced that you could watch the actual process happen and still call BS. That's a problem!
mands
Yea and I would contend the majority are bunk. Are there immune reactions associated with the use of these peptides, yep and that's another reason not to use them. But that's me!
muscle96ss
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You are correct Dr. Jim, I am not on the same team as you and never will be if this is how you operate. You have proven time and time again in this thread that you don't care about getting answers and only care about stroking your ego. There is a right way to do things and a wrong way to do things. This thread is all about how to do it the wrong way. And no, I have not given Karl a free pass. I would still like to see some proof just as you, and I believe today it was established that Karl should have an amino acid sequence test and he says he will provide it. Until then, the only thing that I am going on is the fact that I received pharm grade GH as proven by mands lab analysis and many others received the same GH. Thats usually not the sign of a scammer or someone ripping me off. So can we give Karl credit for that while we work on the rest?
I believe he already posted more test Bravo! I could be wrong though.
Here is the thing! What I received and tested is definitely gh and Jim knows that. He's just stating there's no way Karl's lab that he supposedly gets it from manufactured it. End of story. It's up to Karl to prove to the community he is doing just that.
mands
MANDS R&D GH should NOT be confused with "generic GH" and Ive stating nothing different. So you tell me what's this discrepancy or where is "the problem"?
YOUR WRONG!!
It's very hard to ignore doc's giant inflated ego that's for sure. He is still pointing out the necessery steps needed to be followed to insure we are not test dummies for a R&D hgh K has to offer. I never seen eye to eye with doc he is an assclown but I see the need for the things he is pointing out. I believe I am one of the silent majority . His personality won't change the facts here, all we have is mands data. For me it's not enough.
i wish it was someone else beside the doc who is pointing this shit out but all we have is him and we have to be content with his knowledge IMO. I hope it's the real deal ,a good opportunity for this community , but I'm not holding my breath. The holes in the million dollar story is too big to ignore. And the pics of that lab !!!!! get a cleaning lady and an organizer K
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i wish it was someone else beside the doc who is pointing this shit out but all we have is him and we have to be content with his knowledge IMO. I hope it's the real deal ,a good opportunity for this community , but I'm not holding my breath. The holes in the million dollar story is too big to ignore. And the pics of that lab !!!!! get a cleaning lady and an organizer K
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Doc please dont take my next statement as disrespect as u have contributed more to meso then I could ever hope to. With that said at times you can be a bit condescending and talk in riddles at times, although you have never been that way to me. Just from the outside lookin in. Muscles96ss yo6 have been around longer then myself, you know thats how all successful scams start best stuff you ever have in your life in the beginning. Then everyone gets fucked in the end. Do you not agree?
Actually Mands its clear now the difference is what K is selling is indeed made at and R&D lab that K is referring to as being "his lab and people". So K's lab ain't making anything and that's obvious to anyone reading this thread. Why I'd be shocked if K could mix a glass of frozen OJ wo the help of a "chemist"!
Consequently NOW the subject also becomes if the product K is selling is SAFE FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION since R&D products are not for use in humans.
That means the same sterility and protein contaminants are accounted for, refiltered, and all the contents are PROVEN STERILE. The latter is NOT a requirement or R&D rHGH!
Now what has K done to prove similar measures are taken which are cw FDA standards? ZIPPO,IMO
Consequently NOW the subject also becomes if the product K is selling is SAFE FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION since R&D products are not for use in humans.
That means the same sterility and protein contaminants are accounted for, refiltered, and all the contents are PROVEN STERILE. The latter is NOT a requirement or R&D rHGH!
Now what has K done to prove similar measures are taken which are cw FDA standards? ZIPPO,IMO
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