Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Western-Biotech]

I kind of get angry in first read as my words are being twisted.

But let me clearly explain -

What you refer as research is a term used to avoid some regulations in the USA and such.

R&D is the cutting edge of any industry, and so is the quality (purity and potency) of the Somastim, just like as shown on any test

However it's very true that the regulations on my lab, are less strict then on any pharma facility. The inspection of the FDA is actually nil, however the lab has a very strict capabilities and QA control etc' and it carries a GLP certificate (Good Lab Practice).

Next batch will be partially manufactured in GMP FDA inspected facility, and we simply need to expend the volume

The team is/was engaged is the top of academic research, and if any damn member will actually raise the glove, and talk to the head of my team, he'll clearly report and confirm this

You're all welcome to make LAL (Toxin), pyrogen, and of course sterility test, to asses the safety of consumption to human, and I said this from start

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Just checking back in after working today and Karl's new explanation makes things clear to me.

My line of questioning all along was how could Karl get an analytical chemist with the kind of knowledge necessary to make pharma grade GH because I didn't believe there was anyway that would happen here in the US based on the AC's I deal with. The answer is he didn't, the chemist is working for an R&D company producing GH which Karl is then reselling.

I have no idea what protocols are being used in Karl's R&D lab but I do know the standards which R&D labs in the US are required to follow by law are MUCH MORE lax than the standards required to produce FDA approved pharma grade products here.

I believe we have now gotten to the truth (or at least a lot closer to the truth) and people have the information they need to make decisions regarding this source.

Yepp, he's a liar that saves customer's info...

That is all..

 

[Western-Biotech]

Masterpower - bring your expert and he may discuss with my professor, who was working for a very big pharma company in the USA for years, so he has more then a background in Pharma

 

[Western-Biotech]

What's interesting is that non of your claims here has any back up or relevance for the truth, and I PMed MasterPower and others with goof faith to prove my claims, and got zero cooperation, I guess no one here has any interest in the truth

 

[Dr JIM]

Just checking back in after working today and Karl's new explanation makes things clear to me.

My line of questioning all along was how could Karl get an analytical chemist with the kind of knowledge necessary to make pharma grade GH because I didn't believe there was anyway that would happen here in the US based on the AC's I deal with. The answer is he didn't, the chemist is working for an R&D company producing GH which Karl is then reselling.

I have no idea what protocols are being used in Karl's R&D lab but I do know the standards which R&D labs in the US are required to follow by law are MUCH MORE lax than the standards required to produce FDA approved pharma grade products here.

I believe we have now gotten to the truth (or at least a lot closer to the truth) and people have the information they need to make decisions regarding this source.

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Sure some R&D facilities manufacture GH. I know of a facility in Texas that supplies a "four state" region with GH and other biologics. But the (sterility, quality, purity and antigen/antibody cross reactivity etc) standards are considerably different for Ph Grade GH and for those reasons it's "not for human consumption".

Pehaps I'm stating the obvious but I would NOT use R&D products personally. Now some may choose to do so to save a few bucks, but no thanks. Again since this is an R&D facility why didn't K just say so rather than start some sham about "his production facility"?

Damn I mean its BS like that which taints the entire process and makes ME believe Karl is a pathological liar, regardless of his intentions.

So you folks enjoy. At least now you have some idea about what your pinning and understand a few of the risks and potential benefits.
regs
jim

Some said they wanted the TRUTH!! Well there it is, and at this juncture, it's COMPLETELY CONSISTENT with the analyses Mands had conducted AND those K had performed. Meso members can now make a reasonably well informed decision (excluding sterility primarily) about whether they should use this product.

And for those who believe I'm an arrogant ass and don't agree with my methods of discovering what that "TRUTH" is, I could care less, bc UGLs don't partake in lame touchy feely conversations, and play by one set of "rules" their own.

So sorry but that's the world we live in and it's also why far to many MATEs are burned by UGL's often seen on AAS forums or elsewhere, IMO
Respects
JIM

 

[Western-Biotech]

You're a severe joke doc - the claims regarding NW are baseless - and using different markers will yield identical result to the tests on Mands - if anyone would actually read the reply from my professor he would clearly realize it. Why the Fuck my professor may show from start invalid info, this is a desperate attempt of nonsense over nonsense

 

[Western-Biotech]

Here again is the brief from my professor as a reply to the doc's claims -
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he purity of the protein is determined by SDS-PAGE in presence of reducing agent which shows the purity and the approximate molecular mass of the protein. However as SDS-PAGE is conducted in presence of detergent (SDS) it does not distinguish between non-covalent oligomers or dimers. Therefore we also test the protein by size exclusion chromatography (SEC) in buffer pH 8 without detergent which is capable to show whether the tested protein is a pure monomer. Once both tests are positive no additional test by Mass Spectrometry (MS) is required. However MS tests were occasionally performed and when tested they always showed over 95-98% purity and the expected molecular mass of about 22106 or 22130 Da. Please note that in some cases the stained molecular mass standards are not accurate. Thus for example molecular mass standards showed inaccurate molecular mass of hGH of ~19 kDa, while mass spectrometry of the same sample (in two tests) showed molecular mass of 22,106 and 22,130 Dalton compared to the theoretical value of 22,124 Dalton.
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IF anyone has any doubts or further question he's welcome to discuss it online with my professor

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Look karl if your tired of the throttling put the data up or pack it up and beat it, it's real simple.
Add up

 

[Western-Biotech]

Bravo - explain to me again - didn't understand u

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

You're a severe joke doc - the claims regarding NW are baseless - and using different markers will yield identical result to the tests on Mands - if anyone would actually read the reply from my professor he would clearly realize it. Why the Fuck my professor may show from start invalid info, this is a desperate attempt of nonsense over nonsense

All this "bla bla"...

I'll give you one thing.. You're a resilient bastard.. I'm quite surprised you have the testicular fortitude to keep posting after all the lies and inconsistencies that have been exposed, Karl.. Guess you really don't want to lose that initial investment of what you've already sent out..

 

[Masters Power]

Masterpower - bring your expert and he may discuss with my professor, who was working for a very big pharma company in the USA for years, so he has more then a background in Pharma

Karl I'm not arguing with you. I said your claims now make sense to me and people now have the truth and can make their own decisions. Not once in this thread have I weighed in on the quality of your product or your production methods because I don't know anything about either of them.

 

[Masters Power]

What's interesting is that non of your claims here has any back up or relevance for the truth, and I PMed MasterPower and others with goof faith to prove my claims, and got zero cooperation, I guess no one here has any interest in the truth

Whose claims are you talking about?? You have never PM'd me and I welcome Millard to check who is correct on this.

 

[Western-Biotech]

MastesPwowers I must have PMed u - I'll chech it

 

[Western-Biotech]

MAsterspowers - the Somastim is going through sterility, toxins and pyrogen tests to confirm it's safe for human consumption, he'll match and actually exceed the pharma grade standards in this criteria as well any pharma product

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Look karl if your tired of the throttling put the data up or pack it up and beat it, it's real simple.
Add up

Post the aas data

Bravo - explain to me again - didn't understand u

Surely you understand the rest

 

[Western-Biotech]

And again - From first minute I said very clearly that this is NOT a pharma product, it's not inspected by FDA, BUT with all that has to do with purity and potency as well as sterility..pyrogen...toxins it exceeds the pharma standards

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Whose claims are you talking about?? You have never PM'd me and I welcome Millard to check who is correct on this.

MastesPwowers I must have PMed u - I'll chech it

Pathological liar...

 

[Western-Biotech]

Bravo - I will, I said and I will, it contribute shit to the posted tests, but I will as I respect your requests

 

[Western-Biotech]

MAsterPower - true - I apologize, I PMed this to the doc, I'll PM u now

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Bravo - I will, I said and I will, it contribute shit to the posted tests, but I will as I respect your requests

Been saying that for awhile, Karl... Funny how you won't post shit yourself but you can tell mands earlier today to go get ANOTHER test done..

Why do you think people should prove your "claims" for you?? Same went with flenser, just because you sent him REPLACEMENTS and sent mands what he paid for they need to keep coming out of pocket to help you?? You're fucking delirious..