Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Dr JIM]

Here again is the brief from my professor as a reply to the doc's claims -
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he purity of the protein is determined by SDS-PAGE in presence of reducing agent which shows the purity and the approximate molecular mass of the protein. However as SDS-PAGE is conducted in presence of detergent (SDS) it does not distinguish between non-covalent oligomers or dimers. Therefore we also test the protein by size exclusion chromatography (SEC) in buffer pH 8 without detergent which is capable to show whether the tested protein is a pure monomer. Once both tests are positive no additional test by Mass Spectrometry (MS) is required. However MS tests were occasionally performed and when tested they always showed over 95-98% purity and the expected molecular mass of about 22106 or 22130 Da. Please note that in some cases the stained molecular mass standards are not accurate. Thus for example molecular mass standards showed inaccurate molecular mass of hGH of ~19 kDa, while mass spectrometry of the same sample (in two tests) showed molecular mass of 22,106 and 22,130 Dalton compared to the theoretical value of 22,124 Dalton.
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IF anyone has any doubts or further question he's welcome to discuss it online with my professor

Did you ever post those MS which support your claims the GEP was in error, NOPE! Oh that's right the BEST SUBSTITUTE is to "talk with the prof". Damn your sickening and wasting everyones time K.

I suppose you are also going to deny you sent me a PM that clearly stated your GH had an R&D connection! Shall I post that one or do I need to "speak with your prof".

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Look karl I dont like you, but the only reason I haven't said fuck you and the horse you rode in on is cause ower community deserves a product that you claim to have. As far as iam concerned you should come clean and tell the whole truth before it gets ugly.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Look karl I dont like you, but the only reason I haven't said fuck you and the horse you rode in on is cause ower community deserves a product that you claim to have. As far as iam concerned you should come clean and tell the whole truth before it gets ugly.

That would be literally impossible for a sociopath such as Karl, Mr. Bravo.. He's pretty much incapable of telling the truth, just the way his brain works..

 

[Mr.Bravo]

You keep talking about baseless claims well how is this for baseless claims I sunk millions into a lab that creates hgh (I seen the picks, what did you really pay my guess Is a pair of flip flops) then you go on to say its better then Pgrade yet you show us no proof that you actually produce hgh, another baseless claim. Everyday that the test is not posted iam going to rip you up oneside and down the other.
Edit spelled pair wrong

 

[Western-Biotech]

Bravo - what you refer to ? what true or part of the truth wasn't told ? I encounter here some think that my english is not good enough to describe, Bullshit is too soft for it, and have supplied you with all the facts and proves u may imagine

Doc - I understand, I said clearly that mess spec is not necessary, but I will post mess spec to asses my claim - I accept it

And yes like said my team was engaged in the most cutting edge research and development in this field, and if u would have any dignity u would talk to my professor, but u know that when and if u do so you'll look like a total clown

 

[Western-Biotech]

Bravo - you asked for AAS, the doc asked for a mess spec, I said they're not nccessary when using our protocol, incl' biological assay tests, BUT I'll show them on the Somastim now, and you may repeat on them done on any anony order to confirm my tests

 

[muscle96ss]

@muscle96ss : Your opinion on r&d grade being unsterile and having contaniments?

And do you think this is r&d grade?

I don't believe r&d grade has any requirements so the purity, steriliy, etc.. is all up to the manufacturer. Also, the various grades have different rules depending on the country; so what applies to the U.S. may be very different than whatever country Karl is using to manufacture his product. In the end I believe the tests mands did are accurate and that the purity of 99.5% that he claimed could very well be correct. Karl has been bragging about the quality of the GH for a long time and I don't think he would be so cocky and make such claims challenging people to test it as he has if it weren't at least close.

 

[Mr.Bravo]

You keep talking about baseless claims well how is this for baseless claims I sunk millions into a lab that creates hgh (I seen the picks, what did you really pay my guess Is a pair of flip flops) then you go on to say its better then Pgrade yet you show us no proof that you actually produce hgh, another baseless claim. Everyday that the test is not posted iam going to rip you up oneside and down the other.
Edit spelled pair wrong

As far as iam concerned a baseless claim is a lie.

 

[Dr JIM]

Bravo - what you refer to ? what true or part of the truth wasn't told ? I encounter here some think that my english is not good enough to describe, Bullshit is too soft for it, and have supplied you with all the facts and proves u may imagine

Doc - I understand, I said clearly that mess spec is not necessary, but I will post mess spec to asses my claim - I accept it

And yes like said my team was engaged in the most cutting edge research and development in this field, and if u would have any dignity u would talk to my professor, but u know that when and if u do so you'll look like a total clown

Cool so when a GEP is in error by some 3000 daltons (now thats an error of MORE THAN 10%) no additional testing is required in your "lab" to prove the product is GTG. Hmm is that the type of "quality" you have been referring to, as exceeding FDA and USP standards?

That is of course unless the"prof" spews some garbage about what a Mass Spec would have shown IF CONDUCTED.

Or perhaps the MS was conducted previously, yet you overlooked it's importance, in spite of requests on my behalf that you reveal a more accurate study like MS as evidence, for DAYS thereafter.

Karl it seems obvious you think Meso members (including myself no doubt) are just flat out stupid, because your in a delusional state if you believe we are going to fall for such BS.

You are definitely wasting everyones time here, damn go home and rethink this presentation, it's objectives, your sales approach, and those needed to aid in the sales of this product, bc to date it's been a miserable failure.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Bravo - which baseless claims ? I showed all tests, and they clearly follow the protocol in this industry - again - the biological assay test is much more significent then mess spec and makes it unnecessary , but u named what u want, it's not a mistake, it's simply unnecessary, but I'll follow it

Muscles96 - differ between research grade, and R&D ( research and development) which stes the standards for the industry.

Like u said I knew my team will make a purity and potency which will exceed the pharma standards cause we tested it !!!! u remember I told u it can't be 95% !!!! cause we tested it !!! and it turned to be 99.5% indeed, and new tests of other forum also showed 99.6% ... now they lie either ? lol

AGAIN - THE SOMASTIM IS NOT A PHARMA PRODUCT, BUT IT'LL MATCH ALL THE PHARMA STANDARDS

 

[Western-Biotech]

Doc - stopp be ing pathetic, the SDS page clearly proves what Mands tests and other test showed, u rely on the ignorance of the members here with such posts,

Damn - your mom should give u more attention, so u won't cry for it here

 

[greenddog1]

All this "bla bla"...

I'll give you one thing.. You're a resilient bastard.. I'm quite surprised you have the testicular fortitude to keep posting after all the lies and inconsistencies that have been exposed, Karl.. Guess you really don't want to lose that initial investment of what you've already sent out..

I too, am amazed at Karl's reluctance to just leave and peddle his wares elsewhere. Could it be that he truly believes in his product and is wanting, ever so desperately to help our members obtain this miracle potion. Overcoming obstacles in the sales senario has reached level of absurity not seen in the real world. This thread has become boring and pointless to me, but I'm sure all snake oil salesmen relish in keeping their name in the spotlight hoping a mass of over eager buyers will take the bait.

The only conclusion I can come to on trusting his product, after reading all the info presented, is would I take the risk. I wouldn't.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Damn - your mom should give u more attention, so u won't cry for it here

WOW, what a zinger Karl !!

You can ignore me all you want, not going anywhere...

 

[Dr JIM]

Doc - stopp be ing pathetic, the SDS page clearly proves what Mands tests and other test showed, u rely on the ignorance of the members here with such posts,

No K the FACT IS the "SDS" PAGE clearly shows the MW was 19K and even your prof admitted that which is WHY he states a MS was performed. You are either delusional or demented K

 

[Western-Biotech]

I too, am amazed at Karl's reluctance to just leave and peddle his wares elsewhere. Could it be that he truly believes in his product and is wanting, ever so desperately to help our members obtain this miracle potion. Overcoming obstacles in the sales senario has reached level of absurity not seen in the real world. This thread has become boring and pointless to me, but I'm sure all snake oil salesmen relish in keeping their name in the spotlight hoping a mass of over eager buyers will take the bait.

The only conclusion I can come to on trusting his product, after reading all the info presented, is would I take the risk. I wouldn't.

So far we've had multiple perfect serum tests from vets, a university test which confirms 99.5% purity, along with a new tests which confirms the same, and repeated superb feedback from my customers,

On the other hand we do have here some haters who's never got one vial, not to say didn't test it....

I wonder what is the wise man conclusion ?!

Like u said the going on of this nonsense is pointless considering the evidences

And Dr Jim - considering that you refuse to accept the very clear explanation of my professor, I will ask him to use new SDS-test with new markers, I did already for our recods actually

 

[Dr JIM]

Here again is the brief from my professor as a reply to the doc's claims -
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Once both tests are positive no additional test by Mass Spectrometry (MS) is required. However MS tests were occasionally performed and when tested they always showed over 95-98% purity and the expected molecular mass of about 22106 or 22130 Da. Please note that in some cases the stained molecular mass standards are not accurate. Thus for example molecular mass standards showed inaccurate molecular mass of hGH of ~19 kDa, while mass spectrometry of the same sample (in two tests) showed molecular mass of 22,106 and 22,130 Dalton compared to the theoretical value of 22,124 Dalton.
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IF anyone has any doubts or further question he's welcome to discuss it online with my professor

This is your PROF admitting the SDS Page revealed the MW was indeed 19K. (MANDS analysis revealed a MW of 22K a difference of roughly 3K or 10%) Now K although you may not believe it a MW difference of 10% is SIGNIFICANT in analytical chemistry, so please stop this nonsense and maybe we can accomplish something except propagating bullshit!

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

So far we've had multiple perfect serum tests from vets, a university test which confirms 99.5% purity, along with a new tests which confirms the same, and repeated superb feedback from my customers,

On the other hand we do have here some haters who's never got one vial, not to say didn't test it....

I wonder what is the wise man conclusion ?!

Like u said the going on of this nonsense is pointless considering the evidences

And Dr Jim - considering that you refuse to accept the very clear explanation of my professor, I will ask him to use new SDS-test with new markers, I did already for our recods actually

Typical salesman type post, designed to distract from the real issues at hand...

You're boring, Karl..

 

[greenddog1]

So far we've had multiple perfect serum tests from vets, a university test which confirms 99.5% purity, along with a new tests which confirms the same, and repeated superb feedback from my customers,

On the other hand we do have here some haters who's never got one vial, not to say didn't test it....

I wonder what is the wise man conclusion ?!

Like u said the going on of this nonsense is pointless considering the evidences

And Dr Jim - considering that you refuse to accept the very clear explanation of my professor, I will ask him to use new SDS-test with new markers, I did already for our recods actually

Ho-hum.....uh, did you say something, Karl?
This wise man made his decision based on solely on you, your history and the constant contradictions you utter.....over and over and over. I'm out of here.

 

[mands]

Yikes 300 will you even be able to wipe your ass lol

Well realistically I might be able to get over 290. 300 is a stretch but sounds better. Lol

And so far I can wipe pretty good

mands

 

[muscle96ss]

Bravo - you asked for AAS, the doc asked for a mess spec, I said they're not nccessary when using our protocol, incl' biological assay tests, BUT I'll show them on the Somastim now, and you may repeat on them done on any anony order to confirm my tests

Karl, when can we expect to see these?