Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[mands]

MANDS R&D GH should NOT be confused with "generic GH" and Ive stating nothing different. So you tell me what's this discrepancy or where is "the problem"?

The problem is that if a research and development team was manufacturing gh and found the correct way to do so I believe even if you saw it with your own two eyes you wouldn't believe it. I feel like you are so passionate about your stance you couldn't even reverse it.

I do admire your passion and I've told you that many times. I just think it holds you back some.

mands

 

[mands]

Who said it was a r&D facility!? I was just talking hypothetically!

Did I miss something?

mands

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Yeah at the beginning of the thread karl states that he uses some other code of standards thats better then the FDA.

 

[Dr JIM]

Who said it was a r&D facility!? I was just talking hypothetically!

Did I miss something?

mands

TRY KARL fella (Twice now)

 

[dnml]

What is truly mind-blowing here is that Jim is the biggest asset K has here.

Case in point: K promises more testing, a few posts later Jim is babbling about the vials containing AIDS and hepatitis, then lies about K "admitting" he is selling R&D grade gh... and we are all over Jim's nonsense AND HAVE TAKEN OUR EYE OFF THE BALL, WHICH IS K!

I know this is an uncensored board, and appreciate that, but Jims posts are so detrimental it would do us all some good to collectively put him on ignore.

In any case, we need to not allow Jim to sidetrack us and create a smokescreen for K to stall. We need to stay on top of K and the tests he has promised. Win-win: we get the truth and K (presuming a positive test result) gets credibility.

@Dr JIM: does the above make sense to you? Can you see how your behavior is really the closest thing to a shill that K has; inadvertent running interference and creating distractions for him? I really hope you can set your narcissistic, incredibly selfish needs aside and allow us to protect ourselves. Nobody here is asking for your help. Hippocratic oath and all, right? Just plz stop causing harm.

 

[Dr JIM]

The problem is that if a research and development team was manufacturing gh and found the correct way to do so I believe even if you saw it with your own two eyes you wouldn't believe it. I feel like you are so passionate about your stance you couldn't even reverse it.

I do admire your passion and I've told you that many times. I just think it holds you back some.

mands

Sure some R&D facilities manufacture GH. I know of a facility in Texas that supplies a "four state" region with GH and other biologics. But the (sterility, quality, purity and antigen/antibody cross reactivity etc) standards are considerably different for Ph Grade GH and for those reasons it's "not for human consumption".

Pehaps I'm stating the obvious but I would NOT use R&D products personally. Now some may choose to do so to save a few bucks, but no thanks. Again since this is an R&D facility why didn't K just say so rather than start some sham about "his production facility"?

Damn I mean its BS like that which taints the entire process and makes ME believe Karl is a pathological liar, regardless of his intentions.

So you folks enjoy. At least now you have some idea about what your pinning and understand a few of the risks and potential benefits.
regs
jim

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Who said it was a r&D facility!? I was just talking hypothetically!

Did I miss something?

K admitted it himself. His slip-up let the cat out of the bag and when I pointed it out K quickly backtracked and attempted to bury his and my posts.

Here is my post quoting Karl's fuckup.. um..uh.. I mean admission:

https://thinksteroids.com/community...rma-quality-gh.134356688/page-56#post-1098898

Well, well, well. How the story is changing and the truth is coming out. Now you're saying you have a "lab" that makes R&D GH for you, and that "you are lucky they (the "lab") cooperate with you."

In July, you made the following statements where you claimed ownership of the manufacturing facility:

"We own a western FDA standard facility for GH manufacturing."

"Millions of dollars, and I emphasize and repeat - MILLIONS - were invested in this venture."
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The truth is finally coming out, Karl. It always does.

BUSTED!





No, you're not rebottling, you're reselling. IOW, you're a middle man and you lied about investing millions of dollars to build a facility that manufactures GH.





Dude! It's gone way beyond which tests are needed. That's irrelevant now. Karl just admitted to "buying" R&D grade GH from a lab that manufactures it.




Again, totally irrelevant. This chemist is an employee of the lab from which K is purchasing his R&D grade GH. That is why he K can't ask him to post here or on any other bodybuilding forum. He has no idea K is reselling their R&D research grade GH for human consumption. End of story.





Even though these tests are now irrelevant, K conducting *new* tests would be meaningless. There's nothing to stop him from testing Humatrope or some other pharm grade GH. He would have had to post his *previous* tests which he was UNABLE to do because he never did them. He didn't do them because he didn't make the GH.

 

[mands]

I'll check you crazies later I gotta hit the gym and blow these guns up!

I think I'm gonna do a bulk this winter boys. Might try and get to 300.

mands

 

[Mr.Bravo]

What is truly mind-blowing here is that Jim is the biggest asset K has here.

Case in point: K promises more testing, a few posts later Jim is babbling about the vials containing AIDS and hepatitis, then lies about K "admitting" he is selling R&D grade gh... and we are all over Jim's nonsense AND HAVE TAKEN OUR EYE OFF THE BALL, WHICH IS K!

I know this is an uncensored board, and appreciate that, but Jims posts are so detrimental it would do us all some good to collectively put him on ignore.

In any case, we need to not allow Jim to sidetrack us and create a smokescreen for K to stall. We need to stay on top of K and the tests he has promised. Win-win: we get the truth and K (presuming a positive test result) gets credibility.

@Dr JIM: does the above make sense to you? Can you see how your behavior is really the closest thing to a shill that K has; inadvertent running interference and creating distractions for him? I really hope you can set your narcissistic, incredibly selfish needs aside and allow us to protect ourselves. Nobody here is asking for your help. Hippocratic oath and all, right? Just plz stop causing harm.

I have to respectfully disagree, Dr.Jim is the one that brought the MW discrepancies to everyone's attention. He is just busting karls balls, thats what we do here. Again look at the data from karl or lack there of.

 

[Mr.Bravo]

I'll check you crazies later I gotta hit the gym and blow these guns up!

I think I'm gonna do a bulk this winter boys. Might try and get to 300.

mands

Yikes 300 will you even be able to wipe your ass lol

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

What is truly mind-blowing here is that Jim is the biggest asset K has here.

Case in point: K promises more testing, a few posts later Jim is babbling about the vials containing AIDS and hepatitis, then lies about K "admitting" he is selling R&D grade gh... and we are all over Jim's nonsense AND HAVE TAKEN OUR EYE OFF THE BALL, WHICH IS K!

It's not a lie, dude. K admitted it. This thread is moving quickly and it's important to remain up to date or you'll get lost. There is no longer any question about K making GH - he is not. The question now is to determine what kind of R&D research grade GH K is peddling - human or animal.

This lab as Masterpower's expert will testify is making GH for R&D purposes for most renowned institutions in the world, and me and you are lucky they cooperate with us, so u do have pharma grade option for fraction the price.
They declare on 98+% purity but de facto they manufacture the highest purity HGH you'll find (above 99%), and it's proven again today, Masterspowers expert will confirm this as well.

So as you can see, K admitted the GH comes from an R&D facility and that we should be lucky they are willing to cooperate (sell) to K.

K fucked up. These sources cannot sustain their lies on an uncensored forum because the relentless pounding they receive - the same pounding some are complaining about - rattles them and they dilvudge things they regret. K is no exception and he quickly tried to walk it back. He'll only succeed if we don't remain vigilant or allow ourselves to become distracted.

 

[dnml]

K admitted it himself. His slip-up let the cat out of the bag and when I pointed it out K quickly backtracked and attempted to bury his and my posts.

Here is my post quoting Karl's fuckup.. um..uh.. I mean admission:

https://thinksteroids.com/community...rma-quality-gh.134356688/page-56#post-1098898

What he said was:

This lab as Masterpower's expert will testify is making GH for R&D purposes for most renowned institutions in the world, and me and you are lucky they cooperate with us, so u do have pharma grade option for fraction the price.

He did not say they were making r&d grade gh for him.

Admittedly knowing nothing about gh mfg, it makes sense that he would piggyback on a facility (that has millions invested into it- and not of K's money btw, I've always attributed his statement re: millions invested to sale-sy embellishment) in order to produce his own batches.

Does this mean it is not sterile, as Jim speculates? Is there a way to test for this?

And I hate to speculate myself and add fuel to the fire, but is it possible that K's gh DID test at 98+% purity b/c it hasn't been run through a sterilization process? Meaning is Ph grade a lower purity b/c some is lost while purifying? Again, I am not a chemist and am just throwing this out there for the more educated in this field to answer.

 

[dnml]

It's not a lie, dude. K admitted it. This thread is moving quickly and it's important to remain up to date or you'll get lost. There is no longer any question about K making GH - he is not. The question now is to determine what kind of R&D research grade GH K is peddling - human or animal.





So as you can see, K admitted the GH comes from an R&D facility and that we should be lucky they are willing to cooperate (sell) to K.

K fucked up. These sources cannot sustain their lies on an uncensored forum because the relentless pounding they receive - the same pounding some are complaining about - rattles them and they dilvudge things they regret. K is no exception and he quickly tried to walk it back. He'll only succeed if we don't remain vigilant or allow ourselves to become distracted.

We were posting at the same time. .. That statement isn't conclusive one way or another. .. Could be interpreted several different ways.

Curious re: your thoughts on my questions at the end of my post above.

@Western-Biotech:

1. Is this gh R&D grade?
2. Is it sterile and safe for human consumption according to FDA/GMP/USP standards?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

He did not say they were making r&d grade gh for him.

He did say it. The second paragraph is the kicker:

"they declare on 98+% purity but de facto they manufacture the highest purity HGH you'll find (above 99%), and it's proven again today,"
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"They manufacture" 99%+ and "it's proven again today" - meaning the purity was proven by the test results K/Mands posted, as recently as today - the test results that were done... ON KARL's GH! That's whose GH we've been discussing!

 

[dnml]

He did say it. The second paragraph is the kicker:

"they declare on 98+% purity but de facto they manufacture the highest purity HGH you'll find (above 99%), and it's proven again today,"
​

"They manufacture" 99%+ and "it's proven again today" - meaning the purity was proven by the test results K/Mands posted, as recently as today - the test results that were done... ON KARL's GH! That's whose GH we've been discussing!

Hmmmm.... ok I'm starting to see your point.

Where does the "today" fit in with Mands test though, those were posted weeks ago? ?

 

[Masters Power]

I think its a great idea just to have on record, on a side note who is in you avi Bruiser Brody?

Thanks Bravo and you are correct on the avi.

 

[muscle96ss]

Muscles96ss yo6 have been around longer then myself, you know thats how all successful scams start best stuff you ever have in your life in the beginning. Then everyone gets fucked in the end. Do you not agree?

Yes, I completely agree, but as I posed earlier, that would be a huge investment for Karl to purchase and rebottle pharm grade GH because the first set of vials went to all the people that he owed replacements to from all the bunk scitropin sold. Then now with the injection problem, the first of the supposed new batch with the injection problem solved will be going to those whom he already replaced and is having to replace yet again. So that is a lot of pharm grade GH he is putting out before even getting to new sales. That would be a horrible business decision if he was planning on scamming as people are going to stay up on serum testing, IGF-1 testing, and there will probably be more lab tests down the road. So once the scam starts, he is not going to be able to sell enough of the bogus kits to even recoup the investment before it is exposed, let alone make a profit. So, do I believe he owns a facility that makes the GH from scratch; no I am not sold on that. But do I think he has some sort of connection where he is able to supply us with this good quality GH; most likely but not sure how yet.

 

[dnml]

Yes, I completely agree, but as I posed earlier, that would be a huge investment for Karl to purchase and rebottle pharm grade GH because the first set of vials went to all the people that he owed replacements to from all the bunk scitropin sold. Then now with the injection problem, the first of the supposed new batch with the injection problem solved will be going to those whom he already replaced and is having to replace yet again. So that is a lot of pharm grade GH he is putting out before even getting to new sales. That would be a horrible business decision if he was planning on scamming as people are going to stay up on serum testing, IGF-1 testing, and there will probably be more lab tests down the road. So once the scam starts, he is not going to be able to sell enough of the bogus kits to even recoup the investment before it is exposed, let alone make a profit. So, do I believe he owns a facility that makes the GH from scratch; no I am not sold on that. But do I think he has some sort of connection where he is able to supply us with this good quality GH; most likely but not sure how yet.

Agreed.... Two more points:

1. If he was going to pass off pharm, why re bottle it and put it in 20iu vials? That accomplishes nothing- just remove the printing/sticker from the Ph gh vial.

2. If he was going to scam like this, why use his past rep which started him off on the wrong foot with everyone here, and will ruin his name down the road? Just make up a new alias like the rest do and keep the scam separate from sciroxx, future ventures etc.

@muscle96ss : Your opinion on r&d grade being unsterile and having contaniments?

And do you think this is r&d grade?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Agreed.... Two more points:

1. If he was going to pass off pharm, why re bottle it and put it in 20iu vials? That accomplishes nothing- just remove the printing/sticker from the Ph gh vial.

2. If he was going to scam like this, why use his past rep which started him off on the wrong foot with everyone here, and will ruin his name down the road? Just make up a new alias like the rest do and keep the scam separate from sciroxx, future ventures etc.

@muscle96ss : Your opinion on r&d grade being unsterile and having contaniments?

And do you think this is r&d grade?

1) I'm not familiar with all brands but I know seros come in 18 iu vials so that's close enough to 20iu.. People may recognize the real vials as types of pharm so he'd have to rebottle or at the least put different crimp tops on somehow.. EX: seros are an unmistakeable metallic blue..

2) Believe me, Karl is cocky/arrogant enough to think that he still has a good name even though it's been shit for over a year and a half..

 

[Masters Power]

Just checking back in after working today and Karl's new explanation makes things clear to me.

My line of questioning all along was how could Karl get an analytical chemist with the kind of knowledge necessary to make pharma grade GH because I didn't believe there was anyway that would happen here in the US based on the AC's I deal with. The answer is he didn't, the chemist is working for an R&D company producing GH which Karl is then reselling.

I have no idea what protocols are being used in Karl's R&D lab but I do know the standards which R&D labs in the US are required to follow by law are MUCH MORE lax than the standards required to produce FDA approved pharma grade products here.

I believe we have now gotten to the truth (or at least a lot closer to the truth) and people have the information they need to make decisions regarding this source.