What is your opinion of abortion?

[Southernjuice]

How many women actually get pregnant during rape?

Very few indeed Bob.

 

[Chip Bronson]

Chip, I understood your first post, again it makes no differance to me if the women got pregnant by choice, or by rape. Life is life. If someone raped my wife and she got pregnant, i would have her keep the child. It is not the childs, nor my wife's fault she got raped. So the child is the one to pay with death?

and just as you, and your wife, would have the 'choice' in the matter, (yes you do have a choice, the other option being terminating the pregnancy) although you will contend there is no choice, so should others be able to choose.

 

[Bob Smith]

Chipper, how ya doin today?

Maybe you mentioned it earlier and I missed it, but is there a point for you when abortion should not be allowed (excluding the rarities of rape, incest, etc)?

 

[Southernjuice]

and just as you, and your wife, would have the 'choice' in the matter, (yes you do have a choice, the other option being terminating the pregnancy) although you will contend there is no choice, so should others be able to choose.

No...taking a life should not be a legal choice....it should be a punishable one.I wish everyone could walk in my shoes one day at work....alot of peoples beliefs would change and for the ones it did'nt touch...they are unchangeable and untouchable.

 

[garyzilla]

and just as you, and your wife, would have the 'choice' in the matter, (yes you do have a choice, the other option being terminating the pregnancy) although you will contend there is no choice, so should others be able to choose.

Again wrong Chip, terminating the prenancy is not a choice that I have. Your right in saying my wife and I do have a choice, and the only choice is for my wife and I is to have the child!

 

[patsfan]

Every single life started on this earth has a purpose....and you will have to answer for snuffing out that light. I understand that in certain situations a person may not be able to keep a child but.......that child would be loved by someone!!I am in Pediatrics and work with children with all sorts of disabilities and yes have seen first hand the outcome of what incest can do to a child(deformities ect...) Some of those children have touched more lives than anyone on this board will ever hope to.They have a right to live....take a walk thru a children's home and see who cares that their mother gave them up......most don't know that and never will. They are just trying to make an impact in life like we all should be. They are laughing, smiling, playing and touching hearts....Gods beautiful little tools.Is a little suffering on your part or the mom's more important than anothers life......NO!!!

True. I guess I just feel sorry for these kids and try to put myself in thier situation. I'm not as strong as they are because i wouldnt want to live.

Most exceptional people I have met have been very happy and I know part of me thinks thats because of thier abnomalities however as you said the hearts they touch with grace and dignity is a lesson for all to see.

I just feel bad that most wont ever get married of fall in love,have sex or children of thier own or ever live on thier own for that matter.

 

[Bob Smith]

How many of you guys were unplanned pregnancies? I was. Im kinda glad my parents chose to keep me.

 

[Chip Bronson]

Chipper, how ya doin today?

Maybe you mentioned it earlier and I missed it, but is there a point for you when abortion should not be allowed (excluding the rarities of rape, incest, etc)?

i'm doing well bob. how are you brother? took the day off today and just getting into some of this heady conversation here today. touchy subject and not one i ususally like to debate but, i don't know, something got the best of me i guess... imo, if the child can survive on it's own then abortion should not be allowed.

 

[crewboss]

given the choice of global overpopulation or enacting a method such as abortion for controlling overpopulation, i'll go with population control every time. there's no doubt that humans posess a unique spirit and superior intelligence when compared to all of earth's other animals, but it's funny how we take ourselves so seriously. Perry Ferrell makes a good supporting contention in "We'll Make Great Pets". In the end we're just another animal on this floating sphere, and who's to say our lives are worth any more than any other living organism.. Every animal must be kept from overpopulating, humans included. Abortion is a useful tool for doing so. pro choice all the way.

 

[esco]

well no matter what ... everybody will have their own opinions and this issue will never be seen eye to eye with everybody ... i understand most of everyones point of view and all, but i just feel it is important for people to have a choice what they want to do with their own bodies, you don't have to agree with it, but it's a choice which should be only made by that person and nobody but God has the right to judge them.

 

[eleven11]

Nothing annoys me worse than fetal tissue bossing a woman around. Fuck that... Hack that tissue up, chop it with a sharp scalpel, gouge out that fuckers eyes.

After reading this I'm wishing your parents would have felt the same way with you....11

I don't like abortion at all and I'm against it in most cases, but I also don't want some scared young girl or woman to end up with some back alley butcher,

one thing I'd like to see is all these wellfare cases walking around with kids all around them being forced to have there tubes tied and there nuts clipped. I'm sorry but it should be against the law for some people to reproduce......11

 

[Southernjuice]

True. I guess I just feel sorry for these kids and try to put myself in thier situation. I'm not as strong as they are because i wouldnt want to live.

Most exceptional people I have met have been very happy and I know part of me thinks thats because of thier abnomalities however as you said the hearts they touch with grace and dignity is a lesson for all to see.

I just feel bad that most wont ever get married of fall in love,have sex or children of thier own or ever live on thier own for that matter.

I understand how you feel about them not getting to do some of the things we all enjoy in life however most are unaware of that. I feel better now because I think someone read my post and understands where i'm coming from Good point Bob...I was'nt planned and neither were my two children....they are wonderful and don't know what I'd do without them.

 

[Grizzly]

I am far from perfect but at least i can look at myself in the mirror when i get up in the morning because i know i have never hurt or harmed an innocent infant.

Woah, woah, woah! Let's not use loaded, improper terminolgoy here. I'll probably mess up a couple of the early stages, but DBP can correct it for me

Sperm- tadpole looking thing (I think it's called a gamete) containing DNA

Egg- inaminamte object containing DNA

Embryo- fertilized and developing egg. Approximately, the first 12 weeks?

Fetus- well developed embryo. Approximately, 12 weeks through term.

Infant- newborn child

Baby- 6mos - 1 year old child

Toddler- 1-3 year old

Child- 3-10 or 12ish

Adolescent- 10-16ish

etc.

Let's not try and muck up the issues using terminolgoy geared towards illiciting an emotional response.

Would you say that the phrases "that which you do not know can not hurt you" and "you can't miss what you've never known" hold any water?

Tell me, Desi, about your time in the womb.

 

[Southernjuice]

well no matter what ... everybody will have their own opinions and this issue will never be seen eye to eye with everybody ... i understand most of everyones point of view and all, but i just feel it is important for people to have a choice what they want to do with their own bodies, you don't have to agree with it, but it's a choice which should be only made by that person and nobody but God has the right to judge them.

You do have a choice of what to do with your own body.....a child is not your body.....I hate the word choice...there is'nt a choice. I agree about the judging part but we are human and have emotions and are here to witness.

 

[patsfan]

given the choice of global overpopulation or enacting a method such as abortion for controlling overpopulation, i'll go with population control every time. there's no doubt that humans posess a unique spirit and superior intelligence when compared to all of earth's other animals, but it's funny how we take ourselves so seriously. Perry Ferrell makes a good supporting contention in "We'll Make Great Pets". In the end we're just another animal on this floating sphere, and who's to say our lives are worth any more than any other living organism.. Every animal must be kept from overpopulating, humans included. Abortion is a useful tool for doing so. pro choice all the way.

Whats up Crew? Hope your feeling better.

This what I was saying earlier...its all a matter of time before this is acedemic and there will be some sort of population control. Humans are destoying the planet and the US being the police state it is will be the second on board behind China to impliment population control.

Sooner or later this is fact, like it or not.

Soil and greens anyone?

Pats

 

[Southernjuice]

Woah, woah, woah! Let's not use loaded, improper terminolgoy here. I'll probably mess up a couple of the early stages, but DBP can correct it for me

Sperm- tadpole looking thing (I think it's called a gamete) containing DNA

Egg- inaminamte object containing DNA

Embryo- fertilized and developing egg. Approximately, the first 12 weeks?

Fetus- well developed embryo. Approximately, 12 weeks through term.

Infant- newborn child

Baby- 6mos - 1 year old child

Toddler- 1-3 year old

Child- 3-10 or 12ish

Adolescent- 10-16ish

etc.

Let's not try and muck up the issues using terminolgoy geared towards illiciting an emotional response.

Would you say that the phrases "that which you do not know can not hurt you" and "you can't miss what you've never known" hold any water?

Tell me, Desi, about your time in the womb.

Make some sense!! Tell me about your experience with being 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11, months old....how about when you were 1 1/2 yrs old...guess I could've killed your snot nosed butt at that age and because you would'nt have memories at that age that makes it ok.....naw...I'd be in the pen or put to death because you are worth more at age one than a child in the womb is....get real.

 

[nickw]

For what its worth, I am a fire/medic and about three months ago we whent to a call of a 17 year old that was raped at a party. He was drunk, she wasnt. The whole time we were treating her, she repeatedly asked if she was going to get pregnant. I rode in the ambulance with her to the hospital and she told me there is no way she is going to carry that assh*les child. For privacy reasons, I never found out if she did get pregnant. I dont know that I want to know. Just one terrible thing happening, could change someones entire outlook on the issue.

 

[esco]

You do have a choice of what to do with your own body.....a child is not your body.....I hate the word choice...there is'nt a choice. I agree about the judging part but we are human and have emotions and are here to witness.

sj, i do understand where you're coming from ... and that's what makes this a good conversation for people, like you said when they can take something away from all this. "choice" yah not the best of words ... been a tough topic, but it has been very enlightening too ...

 

[garyzilla]

Whats up Crew? Hope your feeling better.

This what I was saying earlier...its all a matter of time before this is acedemic and there will be some sort of population control. Humans are destoying the planet and the US being the police state it is will be the second on board behind China to impliment population control.

Sooner or later this is fact, like it or not.

Soil and greens anyone?

Pats

When the world even becomes close be being overpopulated then let me know. Because as of 2004 it is not even close! You can take the world's population and have the people stand side by side and it will only take up the area of Jacksonville Florida.

 

[patsfan]

When the world even becomes close be being overpopulated then let me know. Because as of 2004 it is not even close! You can take the world's population and have the people stand side by side and it will only take up the area of Jacksonville Florida.

As I said before it not going to happen in our grandkids lifetime but it will. What kid of legacy are we gonna leave behind?

PS: Its the resourses not the area.