What type of person...

[brutus79]

I have a question I would like everyone to respond to- new, old, vet, thinks they are a big deal, doesn't think they are a big deal.

I do not profit in any way from anything that ever transpires on this site. Never once, not a dime, no free gear- ever. I really do it because I think my word means less if I was on the take. People who accept free gear for reviews.... ahhh whatever- you do you I guess. No big deal, but if you run a log and the source burns people that bought based on your good reviews you are somewhat culpable. Maybe not.

If a newbie pm's me for a source I don't recommend one.... I am always willing to say if I heard bad things about someone and if I haven't heard anything bad I will say so, but that is hardly an endorsement. The fact remains they pm me- I do not pm them when we get these wet behind the ears with posts making it clear they need a source with "options".

I feel that would be predatory and self serving... and if you are pm'ing a newbie with gear you are also circumventing any oversite and/or vetting of sources we try and do here. In my opinion it is fucked up from just about every angle- like standing outside a school zone snatching kids... be a fucking man and put up a source thread and admit you are here to make money...

This is especially egregious if that person Is a long standing member- kind of sullies everything they have done here.... again, just my opinion. What is everyone else's opinion?

 

[pittbox]

I'm picking up some underlying agenda here.
I'm pretty sure I know exactly what you are talking about but what do you do about it other than call the guy out?

But like you said he's a vet so you just might get snowballed regardless.

 

[A-a-Ron]

I agree, a yes or a no on a particular source is fine. Other than that, pm'ing a source may just lead to a bad source screwing more people when the newbie gets a load of bunk gear and is unknowingly spreading hype about the placebo effect he is getting.

 

[TheBiGBull]

Do you buy cookies at the store?

Would you buy cookies if someone came to your door?

What if it was girl guides ...

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

If a guy I've known here for awhile that I'm friendly with PMs ME for a source I may tell him what I've heard on some sources as of late..

As far a "vet" PMing brand new guys or PMing ANYONE for that matter out of the blue, that's suspicious as fuck unless you talk to the guy all the time and kind of know him..

PMing a random person about a source unsolicited is against the rules as far as I understand them.. The guy isn't doing it out of the kindness of his heart to help a complete stranger, he's padding his pockets..

Off with his head!!

 

[heady muscle]

I do not profit in any way from anything that ever transpires on this site. Never once, not a dime, no free gear- ever. I really do it because I think my word means less if I was on the take. People who accept free gear for reviews.... ahhh whatever- you do you I guess. No big deal, but if you run a log and the source burns people that bought based on your good reviews you are somewhat culpable. Maybe not.

If a newbie pm's me for a source I don't recommend one.... I am always willing to say if I heard bad things about someone and if I haven't heard anything bad I will say so, but that is hardly an endorsement. The fact remains they pm me- I do not pm them when we get these wet behind the ears with posts making it clear they need a source with "options".

I feel that would be predatory and self serving... and if you are pm'ing a newbie with gear you are also circumventing any oversite and/or vetting of sources we try and do here. In my opinion it is fucked up from just about every angle- like standing outside a school zone snatching kids... be a fucking man and put up a source thread and admit you are here to make money...

This is especially egregious if that person Is a long standing member- kind of sullies everything they have done here.... again, just my opinion. What is everyone else's opinion?

Pretty spot on. I consider myself a newbie here. Free gear; No. Unless it's a credible source that has some new to share. But still probably not.

 

[GigaloRob]

I don't recommend a source to anyone here. I will not cheer on a source in their thread. I despise people that cozy up to sources and basically become their hype man. If you are a member here and pming people with sources you are trash plain and simple. As far as people receiving free gear i also do not condone it.

 

[Tren423]

If a guy I've known here for awhile that I'm friendly with PMs me for a source I may tell him what I've heard on some sources as of late..

As far a "vet" PMing brand new guys or PMing ANYONE for that matter out of the blue, that's suspicious as fuck unless you talk to the guy all the time and kind of know him..

PMing a random person about a source is solicitation IMO..

Off with his head!!

^^^
That's how it should work jb. In the rare event that I'm contacted concerning a source, it's either yes or no. If it's yes, I'll advise with caution.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

^^^
That's how it should work jb. In the rare event that I'm contacted concerning a source, it's either yes or no. If it's yes, I'll advise with caution.

I just edited and added a few thoughts..

 

[pmac928]

I have many people pm me about sources I've used. On meso and from a few threads I've started. I only tell them my experience cause that is all I have. I also inform many of these noobs that all is subject to change without notice and I'm just like you a squirrel looking for a nut. As for pming guys and telling them to buy off this one or that one, well that may sound like your on the take. I personally think all reps are just dick riding losers who can't make it on there own and need a underground boss who they probably don't even know telling them when and where to bend over. Brutus I respect what you do here at meso and can only imagine the amount of guys that hit you up. I quite sure your a man of your word and do exactly as your saying. And personally I wouldn't feel to good about myself if I must ask a vet or someone for a source anyway with the thousands upon thousands of sources out there then something is wrong. If I ever want something I go get it myself.

Pmac

 

[eminem93]

the road to hell is paved with good intentions

 

[dper726]

out of curiosity is this being targeted to someone particular? Someone we should know of about by now before it gets far enough that involves many more people getting fucked over?

 

[greenddog1]

Being helpful and giving advice to a fellow member is one thing, but advocating or soliciting members (noobies or otherwise) for sources is one of 2 things. It's either a serious lack of judgement or it's simply for some gain on his part. Neither one is justifiable.

 

[flenser]

Solicitations via PM are against the forum rules. So is misrepresentation or nondisclosure of affiliation.

Members must disclose any affiliation with vendors discussed in the "Steroid Underground" for which they receive, or expect to receive, compensation.

If it's happening, it should be reported.

With respect to giving new members source recs, I have done it a few times when asked. Mostly I just say who I ordered from last, and why.

 

[devildog93]

Pretty much in agreement with what you said Brutus. I would not endorse anyone because they could flake at any moment. I would tell someone exactly what experience i had with a source, but that is as far as it would go. Keeping it black and white is the way to go. People start giving thumbs up to people out of the blue and red flags go off for me. I don't know if it would matter who the guy was and what standing he was in, i would still be suspicious to say the least.

I would not hesitate to warn someone off a source i had a bad experience with or had heard of problems about their operation, but again it would be straight facts such as a failed labmax, shipping issues(pictures of shoddy shipping practices), bad mass spec, bloods, or even anecdotal evidence (such as 750mg a week of test for 10 weeks with 2 pounds lean mass gained). I would consider all data when considering a new source.

People jumping up to be the guinea pig on new sources are just waving their money around on the bad side of town in my opinion. Let some people do some testing. If we did things slower and with a bit more caution perhaps the quick buck artists wouldn't even stop by with such regularity. Sure, they could send out good stuff for a month waiting to be vetted with a couple of good test results, but do you think these guys even have that level of patience? These guys are not astrophysicists and it makes me mad that we are all but asking them to scam us.

If this was a paid sponsor board then we would have an excuse for the fucking, but since it is not, we really only have ourselves to blame for not demanding tighter quality control on the source end. If people quit throwing money at the fly by night sources then perhaps we would see a shift in things.

 

[mike0507]

Tell them to read more and/or do a search. It's all here. I've had issues and it was simply the result of me not exercising due diligence. In my case, I simply stopped reading for a few days. The landscape changes quickly here and it would behoove everyone considering a purchase to put as much time into evaluating sources as they do deciding whether or not to use gear, or plan a cycle. In my limited experience, this board is extremely proactive at identifying source trends and keeping them in check. That said, I'm guilty of discussing my experience with a source via PM and hadn't given it a second thought until reading this post. My perspective now is that discussing things of this nature via PM isn't the right answer and does the board a tremendous disservice. I've seen firsthand the benefit of having solid members who aren't afraid to call out a source in a public forum.

A standard of transparency in all discussions regarding sources is what empowers members of this board and distinguishes MESO from all the others. This is becoming more clear to me now and my current view is that giving an endorsement of any source via PM doesn't benefit any member, but instead may only lead to the same environment of corruption and cronyism found on other boards. As I said earlier, my misfortune was the result of something that occurred over the span of a few days. New members should consider that any individual member who could provide the type of meaningful insight that would be of any benefit to them as a customer would likely be too close to the source in question to provide any real objectivity. In other words, what could anyone say regarding a source's credibility via PM that couldn't be said in public unless there were ulterior motives? Moreover, how many members have been scammed due to information received via PM that could have been avoided if their concerns had been addressed in a public forum? I'm not saying that this is the case in all circumstances, just that there is serious potential for corruption whenever this occurs. Just my two cents.

 

[Unleashed]

Sounds like we're talking about someone in particular. That being said, this person is using his "status" or "power" to influence others. Most noobs here looking are impressionable and would follow this person's advice because of his status. He is taking advantage of them. Personally, this is wrong!!

 

[Fckit]

I hate hidden agendas, and truth be told whoever is privately recommending sources has to have some type of incentive. Anyone who gives a shit about their word would not openly or privately endorse any source. Even the long-time sources have issues (eg Karius). So why would anyone not having a vested interest push a source and put their name on the line? I've seen numerous vets say they learned their lesson about giving the go ahead on sources, so for a "long-time" member (as you put it) to privately push a source(s) is nothing but red flags for me

 

[Big_paul]

Well said bro. I agree.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Sounds like we're talking about someone in particular. That being said, this person is using his "status" or "power" to influence others. Most noobs here looking are impressionable and would follow this person's advice because of his status. He is taking advantage of them. Personally, this is wrong!!

Yes, that's exactly what it is, using "status" for money or free gear.. Guys that have been around a bit know better...

I don't think this is meant to be a shot at newer guys that are just trying to help other newer guys that PM them first.. You'll figure out what you should and shouldn't do soon enough if you stick around..